Just get rid of the organ gun. Having it as a Portuguese unique unit is absurd. Its like having the chinese with Samurais.
Amd replace the Caravel (since almost everyone has acess to it) with a Carrack.
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isnât the Portuguese hand cannoneer used currently only by the Ethiopians as a shipment after aging up with the Portuguese alliance a very logical replacement for the organ gun for the Portuguese civ?
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The devs arenât going to remove a unique unit from a civ and give it to someone else or turn it into a mercenary, we need to be reasonable. Personally, I would just have them make a card that turns all of the playerâs Organ Guns into a Roqueira/Pedreiro, a Trom or a Bronze Cannon, similar to what they did with the Ottomans (Janissairy > Nizam Fusilier) and with the British (Longbowman > Ranger).
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True just to a certain extent. They are uniquely available to Ethiopians as of now, but they are not indigenous to them. They are clearly intended to represent an actual historical Portuguese unit that happened to see action in the Ethiopian theatre in the name of Portugal during the Portuguese-Ottoman Wars. Furthermore, it is not as if the Ethiopians are lacking in unique units of their own (they have plenty of others), or that their alliance units are always 100% exclusive to them (several are available to other civs as natives in African maps or as alliances in the case of the Hausa).
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Thatâs what I got the idea from.
It would be fitting for a naval civilisation to have a unique naval unit.
Maybe make it a Galleon replacement? Carracks are big.
Itâs basically the Mercenary version of the Abus Gun.
If it would become a trainable unit for the Portuguese they would essentially share a unique unit with the Ottomans.
Why not?
The AoE2DE devs just did that. They turned the Elephant Archer for a unique unit into a regional unit.
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In lieu of Organ Guns, Portugal should get Berços - small fast-firing grapeshot-firing swivel guns that could be used on a forked-mount. It could have a very quick deploy time (the single crewman placing the swivel gun on the mount) and could provide an anti-infantry spash-damage (via its grapeshot) role instead of the repeating attack of the Organ Gun. Graphically they could look similar to the Cannoneer but with the Bercos and fork-mount slung over the shoulder until deployed (similar to how the Abus gunners carry theirs).
You could even go a step further and allow it to toggle between close-range (anti-infantry) Grapeshot and longer range (light) cannon-fire mode so it allows a lower pop, multi-use cannon alternative to the Falconet which occupies a similar niche as the Organ Gun but more relevant to the period.
As for the Organ gun itself - it could then be made available as a Polish mercenary artillery unit from the Tavern (call it âOrganokâ and give it the Polish military voiceover). The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth did use Organoks during this time (the suggestion of Brits/French having them is well out of their timeframe) and we have Polish unit voiceovers to go with them.
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Thatâs because they split the âindiansâ civ into multiple civs that better represent the subcontinent. Theyâre not going to remove the unique unit of a vanilla civ especially one that has basically been enshrined in the series with the organ gun appearing in aoe2 as a Portuguese unique unit and in artwork just because some dweebs are butthurt.
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The article on the Organok does mention some later western uses. So it wouldnât be wrong to depict it as French.
Louis XII of France (1498â1515) is said to have employed a gun with 50 barrels, which fired in a single volley. Pedro Navarro, Count of Oliveto and famed Navarrese military engineer, used the weapon against the French at the Battle of Ravenna (11 April 1512).
It could be entertaining to see it as a Bourbon unit since one of the latest uses was in an assassination attempt of a French monarch.
Old civs need a major native/merc shipment update with the new units introduced. The 1000th time.
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AoE2 devs changed Indians, a civ that they themselves created and that only existed since HD. Any civ not created by them (especially one created by Ensemble) is very unlikely to get changed completely, since that would be: 1. Kinda disrespectful to their work and 2. Would likely â â â â -off the majority of the player base. If it were to be a simple Card, then it will not be that much of an issue.
Their sub par work is actually disrespectful by representing Portugal so poorly. A change is needed. And that affected AoE2 aswell, getting Portugal stuck again with an Organ Gun.
Nah only AoE2 is holy.
AoE1 too but maybe they are just to lazy to touch it.
Vanilla AoE3 is not holy and untouchable. The Organ Gun is not a legendary beloved unique unit.
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According to who? You also didnât respond to my second point.
It sounds like you are worshipping the old developers.
Why would it be an insult to change something? They have done their work and the new developers have taken over years ago.
I bet the old developers even forgot why they choose the Organ Gun in the first place.
People donât like it in AoE2 either.
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There should not be âuntouchableâ stuff in games.
If it is incorrect, old or outdated, just make it right.
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And you can make it right by giving the player the option of sending a Card that replaces the Organ Gun, same thing was done with the British and the Ottomans.
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Diference being, Organ Gun as you know, never was a Portuguese thing. I would have it replaced completely by a Portuguese thing. Or else whats the point of having a civ called Portugal when in reality is just the British with a mediterranean visual.
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And you sound delusional in your demand to change everything historically inaccurate in the game. You have to pick your battles. Iâve suggested a Card for Ports that would allow them to build more historically accurate cannon, because itâs the most efficient compromise. Your asking for all of these modifications that are nearly impossible to ever happen.
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Changing the Organ Gun to a Falconet would be a pretty simple change.
Noting extreme.
Itâs just you alone that things that thatâs a big change. Basically everyone else in the community agrees that it should be changed.
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Sim, sei perfeitamente que não existem quaisquer registos ou documentação histórica que indique que os portugueses utilizaram o canhão de orgão. Mas o mal estå feito: o jogador médio (e especialmente o profissional) do AoE3 é pouco interessado na historicidade ou não de uma civilização. Portanto, se fores alterar radicalmente a civ, irås chatear o resto da comunidade que nunca pÎs os pés neste forum.
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