This is the whole list of what I suggest.
Arenât you the guy who wants a huge split of the Teutons but thinks Albanians can just be included in Venetians?
As I said, Iâm against adding more Euro civs to the game, not against real European people.
Iâd maybe be more receptive of more Euro civs if there wasnât a new Euro DLC almost every other DLC (and the fact the devs stopped adding new arch sets also doesnât help).
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He joked about being anti-Europe because its a silly term because almost no one is anti europe, most people who complain about Europe just want more stuff for everywhere else because Europe already has a lot
Meanwhile theres quite a few people who think history outside of Europe is irrelevant, inferior, uninteresting or that extremely diferent peoples are âall the sameâ
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I said, and I quote:
Itâs funny that only the âEuro haterâ part registered in his mind.
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Me euro hater? Nah Iâve got more of a nuanced view.
My point is thereâs nothing wrong imo if you dislike something until you wonât harm someone. I may dislike Japanese culture, so what? Youâre entitled to your ###### ### of course people will judge you for that and this is fine: itâs what itâs called real life, having likes and dislikes. Not everyone can love European civs, itâs fine as long as you donât force your tastes upon others, you will like something else. Tastes are tastes, the only way to change them is to manipulate people through fear or sense of guilt or physically threaten them but thatâs what totalitarian regimes do and personally Iâm very much for freedom of speech and tastes, even when itâs hate. Better to hate something as a free person than to state you love everything because youâre forced to, no?
As I said at least heâs being honest, not trying to rationalise why Balkan civs shouldnât be added like op did, and I appreciate people being honest even when I disagree.
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Probably because the Lithuanians are Balts and not Slavs 
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Apart from RoR DLC and of course V&V DLC, the last two DLCs focused on Asia. Itâs unknown what region would be the subject of a potential future DLC. Iâm betting itâs not Europe.
I have always been a supporter of new Architecture Sets and it can be done - all it takes is the will from the developers. The lack of the Caucasian Architecture Set in TMR DLC is a scandal in my opinion. It would also be possible to divide the Mediterranean Architecture Set into two separate ones - Iberian and Italian.
The problem is the laziness of creators, not the alleged boredom of Europe!
Following this line of thought, future non-European civs will be treated the same - copy paste.
This I agree with. Give me an Andean set already.
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Okay. But Iâve often come across texts about me being someone bad etc. because Iâm interested in Europe and I want new European civs - and I have ideas to make them something fresh.
Moreover, more than once, my topics on the forum have been attacked by Eurosceptics - and thatâs fine by them. Itâs the same with everyone else. Topics concerning non-European civs are not treated this way - this probably means something?
Besides, I myself noticed that when I wrote about proposals for something non-European I was ignored. This shows that Europe evokes emotions on both sides.
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Letâs not forget about the Nomadic Architecture Set (priority for Europhile xDDD)!!!
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Yes I think no one whoâs got any honesty left would argue that itâs safer to hate Africa than to hate Europe recently (at least superficially) but like @Apocalypso4826 said itâs not that you have to conform to what is the sensibility surrounding you or always give up to social pressure (also trends change overtime, you donât have to unless you agree, one day you may find yourself in line with others without even trying it). Sometimes is hard to be hated or feel like youâre the one that goes against the crowd but you shouldnât give it all that importance really. Just do your thing, enjoy what you enjoy and hate what you hate, no one can take that away from you (for now lol). As for me if you tell me you prefer Europe over the rest thereâs nothing wrong with it, itâs just your taste, I donât need to change it.
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Thank you for your understanding.
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Romanians and Serbs is enough.We need Romanians due to the Draculaâs campaign.The Serbs are nice to be added,they beat Bulgarians,Hungarians,Greeks and built an empire by the lead of Stefan DuĆĄan.The Serbs are also active in Balkan for several centuries in medieval and play an important role.
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In addition to that, it compliments well with Slavs being renamed.
Not surprising results, I know. But this is surprising:
33. Romania
40. Ukraine
55. Slovenia
58. Croatia
64. Georgia
65. Serbia
74. Bosnia
76. Armenia
84. Thailand
89. Moldova
90. North Macedonia
94. Albania
I agree, sadly, with your point 4., and maybe 5. But pretty much everything else you wrote was nonsense.
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You are quite a lenient teacher then.
I understand if Balkans is not OPâs taste. But the sad part is OP is factually wrong about all his points. This is not a matter of preference, heâs just wrong in the same way 1+1=3 is wrong.
And the fact the original post, despite being so factually wrong has 13 likes, it just goes to know how little people know about this part of the world.
Not knowing is not bad, thereâs nothing wrong with not knowing. But not knowing and acting like you know is bad. Which is what happened here.
- Magyars are not balkan. Teutons (Austrians) are not balkan. Turks are arguably balkans. Byzantines are arguably balkans. Italians are not balkan. Cumans are not balkan.
When we remove all the made up balkan nations (Reading that list, I was expecting he added Aztects too on the list of balkans) so that OP can have a point when he actually doesnât. We are left with only 1 Balkan civ - Bulgarians.
- Weâve added a lot of Western European civs, not Balkan civs.
There is only 1 balkan civ. As for the East Asia being most popular, I guess sales will show.
Nowdays itâs a lot safer to say âI donât like Europeâ than say âI donât like anything else outside of Europeâ, which is why topics like these exist, imagine a topic âWhy I think Africa DLC is a bad ideaâ you have 80% chance of being banned even though itâs just a game, but all this political censorship wonât stop people having preferences. In the end, they vote with the wallet.
- This can be so easily fixed with a Black Sea new architecture set.
Byzantines, Bulgarians, Armenians & Georgians â Black Sea architecture set. Problem fixed.
- Umm Slavonian + Vlach.
Easy fix with only 2 civs.
- Meanwhile the small market:
Such
A small
market.
Itâs a phenomena called âpro-OutsideOfEurope players are more asholesâ. Some pro-Africa and pro-Asia players come on balkan topics to hate on the balkans, or make topic like this. I have never seen the reverse. With pro-Europe players doing the opposite, hate on pro-OutsideOfEurope players or making topics like this. They arenât smaller, itâs just that pro-OutsideOfEurope players a act more like entitled bullies.
But once again, sales will show.
- They are culturally differentiated. Just because you donât know history, it doesnât mean it doesnât exist.
I am not surprised that the person who believes Magyars, Teutons and Italians are balkan is the same person who believes that the balkans are not culturally differentiated.
Generally, before I think the time to write about something, I take the time to read about it, but maybe thatâs just me being weird.
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Byzantines & Bulgarians. I would accept Vlachs and Serbs, but beyond that is just ridiculous. We donât need 8 civs for a such a small region, especially with irrelevant people like Albanians.
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By the way the Sicilians should have a Arab-Norman architecture, or NormanâArabâByzantine architecture if you prefer. But yes, it would be a huge improvement over now.
and for the Venetians, as I have been saying for a while, just add the Galeazza to the Italians with the flag of Venice.