I’m not going to tag everyone who has ever posted on the topic of Indians, it would take way to dang long.
Then why claim such facts?
Please tag them if you can.
coming from the person who hasn’t backed up any of his claims yet with any sources or facts?
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I am not an old forumer. So I don’t know all people here.
If you are claiming something from the pasts of forums then you should back it with evidence.
Byz actually do go for Paladins more than Cataphracts.
I would just remove Paladin from Byzantines, and discount Cataphract techs even further.
Persians and Huns and Cumans riding around as Franking knights is patently ridiculous. Maybe even more than Aztec two handed swordsmen. Because unlike a speculative never in reality unit, we actually had heavy cavalry Persians/Huns/Cumans which the unit could look like.
Regional skins patches/DLCs for some of the key units like Archers/Knights/Infantry/Kings/Monks cannot come soon enough.
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Dude @CombinedMouse36 calm down. I also want BE for indians but you’re making our cause look like a tantrum. Why don’t you try with actual arguments and concrete ideas instead of insulting MatCauthon and JonOli?
You keep making the same questions over and over even after they answer you. And when they do you just say “you’re lying”
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and frankly, i have no problems with them getting BE, i just want to make sure they remain balanced afterwords.
i also don’t want to get the OPs hopes up, because frankly they have never redesigned a civ in the history of the game. adjusted? sure. but full on rework to make them the best elephant civ in the game? doubt it happens.
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Balance reason. Indians are perfectly fine as they are
Not a single problem with that, but remember that this kind of stuff is on low prio list for the devs
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I would be all for giving Indians BEs, if they needed them for balance reasons, but they do not.
It would actually be a huge powerspike to them, and that is why I am against it.
To balance around it would require Indians to become a much different civ than the one we got, and in all honesty, I like the Indians we got right now.
If people played more Water maps, maybe the devs would be inclined to do it. As it is right now, almost everyone dislikes Water play.
A suggestion to the OP if he really wants to play a Indian-like Elephant civ is to play Khmer.
When I got this game I was like the OP, I had only played AoC before, and I was really excited to see an Indian civ, but then sad when they didn’t have elephants. I looked at the other civs and the Khmer seemed like a good option.
Now they’re not the perfect substitute to a Elephant Indian civ, but they have the best Elephants in the game, and I did some research and found that the empire was also Hindu. So pretty close.
I am also Indian btw, if this post didn’t show it enough, and I agree that Indians are better off representing the Delhi Sultanate.
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Here’s the bottom line:
- OP wants accurate Indian ship sales.
- OP wants powerful Indian EBE.
- OP doesn’t care if the Indian civ has to be entirely redesigned.
- OP doesn’t care about the accuracy of any other civ.
- OP doesn’t care about game balance.
- OP paid for this game out of his own pocket.
- OP says you lie.
- There’s really no point arguing with OP
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OP thinks everyone in the subcontinent is Indian.
OP has no idea about actual history.
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You’re not being very fair here.
- The Indian civ wouldn’t need to be entirely redesigned, merely tweaked
- It’s ok to care about some things but not other things
- If OP wanted Indians to be redesigned it would be because he cared about game balance. You’re contradiction yourself here.
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OP, the facts have been pretty clearly laid out here for you. On your two main contentions:
- Give Indians Battle Elephants
-Just about everyone agrees that from a historical perspective, it makes sense that Indians should have them
-When they were created, only War Eles existed
-They were given the elephant archer, because IT MADE SENSE TO GIVE INDIANS AN ELEPHANT UU
-Adding BEs now, because one person is angry about it, would unnecessarily require a rework of the entire Indians Civ
-Reworking the Indians IS a common topic of discussion, but devs have showed little interest in doing this
- Give Indians unique sail skins
-Again, no one says this isn’t a fine idea, but aesthetic changes are such a low priority that this is VERY unlikely to happen
-Devs prioritize game balance and bug fixes. Continuing to post here demanding these changes from this community is NOT going to accomplish anything.
-As several have pointed out, the game could easily reskin a TON of units to make more historical sense, but it’s not a priority.
You’ve made it clear that your working knowledge of the competitive side of the game is lacking. That’s fine, I’m not a competitive player either. But, what you’re refusing to accept is that the devs DO NOT MAKE MAJOR CHANGES to reflect historical accuracy. They make changes to balance the competitive side of the game and fix bugs so it runs smoothly.
Several people have presented already widely accepted answers to why the changes you want haven’t happened. Your response is to ask them to stop commenting and not backing up your claims with any facts.
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In order to give the OP what he’s asked for, Indians to have “the best Battle Elephants,” it would require a substantial redesign. Others have explained at length why that is.
No one is saying it’s not ok to care only about some civs or aspects of the game and not others. The point being made is that the OP refuses to accept the reasoning that there are a great many historical inaccuracies in AoE, and the devs are VERY unlikely to make historical accuracy related changes, especially for purely aesthetic reasons.
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- That’s a point of contention obviously (see the 227 posts above lol)
- Totally agree. But my one thing I care about shouldn’t trump everything else.
- OP said he’s ok with the civ being entirely redesigned so he can have what he wants (EBE). He didnt start this thread proposing nerfs to offset the buff. That was a concession he made to another poster.
What I’m trying to say is there’s no point continuing the argument.
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This. All this. The OP just flat out won’t accept that the changes they ask for are extremely unlikely, have been proposed before (at least, giving Indians BEs), and, in one case, would require a lot of unnecessary time and work to actually balance the change (and balance IS the devs priority).
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On the topic of better skins/regional skins. Several people are presenting things as a false dichotomy. The team doing graphics is different from the team doing coding and scripting to bug-fixing and balancing.
It’s not unreasonable to expect graphical improvements WHILE the bugs and glitches are also ironed out. A vast majority of these have already been sorted out at this stage in any case.
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Steppe Lancers are amazing. You can micro them to destroy pikemen and even halberdiers because of their range.
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