I generally never build wonders as a rule. But in the last match I had on black forest we just KNEW the enemy were saving up for one. So I made sure to save up 12k of my own and just waited to see. The game didn’t look massively hopeful as our 2 random allies didn’t even try to wall off any parts of the part and seemed content to just play eco simulator 2022 while making small armies that looked aesthetically pleasing but were of little actual use (i.e one barracks, one stable, one archery range in a neat line producing neat little armies of about 7 units each XD). So to that end they managed to heavily secure the middle of the map and the trading post there.
Anyway, sure enough the notification popped up that they had started building a wonder. But they had clearly just selected 8 or so workers and sent them to build the wonder at the back of his base.
Cue me with all 94 workers already in a control group sending them to a massive blob and THEN power building a wonder in a fraction of the time.
And because it was Black forest we managed to pull off the win in spite of allies who refused to rebuild their walls XD
The meta in 4v4 especially seems to develop into a HRE/Rus/Mongol teammate rush to imperial, resource dump, by other members of the team, and get to wonder first.
I’ve done it with HRE as early as like 13 minute mark. It’s dirty and it’s cheap, imo.
I have a few suggestions:
Remove it from team games. OR
Scale the time. 2v2, 15 minutes, same. 3v3, 17.30 mins. 4v4, 20 minutes.
This is to make sacred site counterplay viable. At 13 minute mark, some opponents don’t even have religious unit yet to cap sacred.
The team games on closed maps are canceled because is too easy get the resources by four players and created around it an invencible fortress. Players canceling the lobby or disconecting on early game is the rule. I hope that feature is disable on the rank games. what do you think about it?
its all true, we have been complaining for months already about this and many other failures… but… theres nothing to do but waiting until they decide to pay attention to this… they have other topics to care about on their lists apparently
Wonders in team games dont work unless you tripple resorce needed, even then mabe not.
Its super lame every game of castle defense and who makes wonder 1st win.
Most game now other team just quit out of game when a wonder is built. No need to continue
He is, he was losing the game but the other player was having a hard time actually ending the game so he just dropped a wonder. The wonder was more a flex than it being op strat.
Due to the map size and choke maps, wonder race is getting really tedious and unfun to play.
“But they invested in 12k resources”. Yes but they also dictate how the battle is gonna play out now. Attackers are obligated to attack the most well-defended position of the enemies choosing within a time period. You are pressed for time against a layer and layer of wall and siege, while your siege army is slowly pressing across a gigantic map. If resources are what bothers you, then how about we reduce the timer from 15 to 5 minutes but if the opponent constructs a wonder as well, it would block out both timers. See now both sides invested 12k. If you destroy the enemy wonder, then the timer resume.
“It is to speed up the game and break the stalemate”. The game should also be fun to play. Making wonder within 30 minutes of gameplay just indicated how you already planned how this game is going to play out. Secondly, long games of back and forth are actually quite the most enjoyable game.
I rather enjoy a game where the enemies outplayed me and obliterate my base than watching a death timer as I slow crack through layer and layer of defense. Honestly, every time I played a wonder game, I just loses the desire to keep playing the game.
Your almost forced to make a wonder now in 4v4 or 3v3 and if they got one 1st then all team just leaves now. no use playing.
Most of all my teams games now just end in 1 side leaving after a wonder. No battle. no nothing… 20min building then wonder then game over.
Still waiting to see if Steam will give me that refund, They said there reviewing why the game sucks 1st
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Should not have Wonder win option in Ranking/Fast matching games
If they actually wants it, at lease reduce scale of map in team game so we could increase attack tempo
I end up keeping 3k of each resource in reserve and almost all my villagers in a control group ready to throw up a wonder faster than the enemy if they try and build one (unless they’re china as they get that BS wonder build speed).
Otherwise, we always refuse to build wonders unless the enemy does it first.
It ruins the flow of the game completely far too often.
Not a bad plan, they need to make the wonder construction message more prominent though, or play a unique sound when wonder construction begins, I don’t think that’sa thing yet right?
Every team game rush to wonder 1st and win. if not you lose
If you haven’t even played more then 5 team games (3v3 or 4v4) dont even bother commenting.
No you cant early hurrass when there 2 other teams helping. it dose ■■■■.
No you cant just not let them get there. thats not an option
all you team noobies forget there are 3 other teams making units and defending or whatever. only 1 guy turtles and straight to wonder. other 3 go for army as normal and walls ands castles.
The other 3 people on the team are massing castles and units and defense. 3 other people still hurasing you also to slow you down . All this and that’s if you have good team mates that can even play and understand how to make an army or even defense or walls.
So don’t tell me about the counters cause in team games THERE IS NONE unless you mass siege and even then killing over 10 castles and tower and making it past 3 other people army also. All while the timers ticking and you run out of time. even kill 2 players off and you run out of time. I had 15 bombards and I ran out of time. it cant be done if the other players defend
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