It seems good to me…it would be interesting to see Asian units from the 19th century, but not so late in the Boshin Wars; for units from the First Sino-Japanese War I prefer it for a more modern AoE…
it is a bit silly having a chinese unit armed with what essentially amounts to a prototype for them, that they didn’t make and which they started using when china as a state was falling apart. not to mention techwise this is super modern, like this weapon was used in both world war, it essentially is WW1 tech, its a massive improvement over weapons and technology we see in game.
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Of course, such modern technology no longer fits into the game… the technology of the game has to go back to 1860s…
This is personal attack,lol.But infact my advices is really a little bit radical，may be I shouldn’t change the feature of every civs.
Although my advices are little radical,but I still think something prejudice and stereotypical should be changed in the future.
Oh yes, of course…maybe they will do it in a future Asian DLC…
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I looking forward it,my friend.That will be a good news.
But I still think Chinese artilleries should be enhanced in the late game,they are too weak.
how is that a personal attack? esp. after you called someone an ultra-nationalist?
sure, wouldnt hurt to have a chinese artillery piece useful for lategame. however keep in mind china already has access to artillery from their consulate.
He is too excite,lol.Do you know “Xiaofenhong” or “pinky”？They are Chinese ultra-nationalists,they think everything of China is the best of the world,and if you like something belong to the foreign countries,you are a traitor.They think everything from foreign countries are evil and backward.Just like his mode of thinking,he think Chinese cannot use foreign weapons,lol.Infact,from 1840 to 1949,we used so many foreign weapons,if every Chinese like him,we have already been destroyed,just like Aztec.
As he said,we need to use real “Chinese” units, lol.
And I think we may not need a new kind of artillery,but we need a card to enhance them.
Well, yeah. Because you’re giving China german weapons that are better than what the german civ itself has. That’s not ultranationalism, it’s that it’s an absurd excuse to improve the civ.
Is it really that much to ask for the unique units of a civ to actually belong to that civ?
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I have some new ideas to improve the Chinese military,in another post.
If I said something wrong to you,I apologize to you.And no matter what you said in the past,I still want to thank you,just for the War of Liberty,although it has many Stereotypes(especially some undead units of Romanian in the early edition,although I am not a Romanian,I still very angry,this is too hurtful,and If I am a Romanian,I will be heartbreak,just because my people is just some undead in other people’s eyes,although it has been changed),I hope you change them in the future.
I will @ you at that post.
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I am afraid you are a Scorpio,although my advices is a little radical,but you’re also a little narrow-minded,lol.
If I make some other advices in the future,I will not be so radical.
And I think if Chinese can send a card,that card will make all the Flying Crows become Shenweiwudi General Cannon,similar to the Heavy Cannon,but they are weaker.And in fact they are the real major Heavy cannon of China,not the Flying Crow.The Mircosoft chose Flying Crow just because it is cool and funny,infact it is a kind of stereotype.
Don’t think the dev will easily replace Flying Crows with Western cannons. The differences from Western civs are the identity of non-Western civs. They’re exotic and cool so that they fit an entertainment work.
As I always say, it can a more practicable way to provide Western artillery operated by local crews in the Mysore Rockets pattern, such as providing Indians with Great Bombards pulled by oxen, providing Chinese with Falconets and Heavy Cannons, providing Japanese with Culverins, Mortars and even Light Cannons, etc.
I am very aware that many civs were built around stereotypes. We simply didn’t know any better (the mod is, what, over 15 years old?)
We did have plans to make a 19th century China that’s less themed about, well, Boxers and Rebellions and more about local militias and the descentralized modernization efforts, but eh, mod fell apart, I left, moved on, things happen.
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As I read in this article, these cannons were manufactured in Macau and were purchased (I assume from the Portuguese) in the 17th century, so I doubt that they have the power of a Heavy Cannon, rather they would be similar to the Falconets. Over time the Chinese learned about Western artillery and began to produce their own cannons in places like Jinzhou, Liaoning.
Two ideas come to mind: One is to add a card called “Jinzhou Foundry” (for example) for the Chinese, and that allows them to build Artillery Foundries where they can produce “General Shenwei Cannons” or just Falconets. The card can also send 1 or 2 cannons and maybe cost some resources.
The other idea is to implement the possibility for Asian nations to buy artillery from your ally at the consulate in exchange for coins, or perhaps 50% coins/50% export. If necessary, these purchases would be enabled through a technology or a card (Similar to the “Imported Cannons” technology of African nations). For balance reasons, the artillery pieces that can be purchased from your ally would be limited to only 1 type of artillery. Examples:
British & Spanish: Falconets (500c)
Portuguese & Russians: Culverins (500c)
Dutch & Ottomans: Mortars (450c)
French & Germans: Horse Artillery (600c)
(These are simple proposals that I made for fun, but I don’t know why I suspect someone is going to get angry with me…)
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I prefer this advice,because both of the three Asian civs has the history of Imitation weapons,both of them has their edition of Europen Artilleries.
And only one kind of Artillery will not break the balance and this will give more tactics to Asian Commanders.
I prefer this advice,because both of the three Asian civs has the history of Imitation weapons,both of them has their edition of Europen Artilleries.So I think Asian can have a technology called "Imitation weapon"in castle in age 4.I prefer they only use coin but will cost more the normal,because Asian can already do it by themselves.
And only one kind of Artillery will not break the balance and this will give more tactics to Asian Commanders.
I sent a advice just like that before,lol
“The consulate will give Europe artillery to the Asian civs.Each ally will give one kind of Europe artillery(such as British Rocket to Britain or Organ gun to Portugal,for Japanese isolation,they will offer Kunikuzusi（国崩）,a special kind of Japanese artillery).Each kind of those artilleries can be trained at castle from age4 and they will only cost gold,they will be a little more expensive than the normal but they can automatic upgrade along with age up.If you choose to end relations,they will not be trained in the castle until you repair relationships with you ally.
This is a way to show Asian‘s Modernization.”
Asians can already spend generic resources in Castles to train units with some Western-style artillery roles. For example, Hand Mortars are the Chinese Culverin-like units, and Flaming Arrows are the Japanese Falconets-like units. The Asians do not need to have access to other types of artillery with generic resources. Want other types of artillery, spend exports, that is how the Asians are designed in the game.
I came up with almost the same idea quite a while ago.
In my blueprint, the European allies provide the same type of artillery that they include in their expeditionary armies. So essentially buying artillery alone without buying more of the other types of units in the armies.
This infinite shipment button will be in the fourth column of the third row (the location of Meiji Restoration and the Livestock Pen Wagon shipment). The Dutch ally should also remove the Livestock Pen Wagon shipment so that the Japanese can train the sacred animals of their traditional religion at Shrines instead of relying on foreigners. Since Russian ally will still provide a Factory, there is no need to worry about not being able to purchase Heavy Cannons if Chinese Isolation replaces the German allies.
Meanwhile, this mechanic can work together with some new artillery shipment cards in the pattern of Mysore Rockets, for example providing Falconets and Heavy Cannons to Chinese by the name of Hongyipao and Great General Cannon. But in any case, I insist that these artillery cannot be directly purchased in buildings like Castles or Artillery Foundries fully with generic resources like coin, otherwise it will break the balance, especially in the later stage.
The correct spelling is Kunikuzushi (国崩し, “Destroyer of Provinces”). It was a Portuguese breech-loaded gun imported from Goa, same type as the “Folangji guns” in China, not produced by the Asians themselves.
Another term, Ozutsu, was for guns produced by the Japanese themselves, but I would have preferred this to be used to replace Morutaru’s name, especially Morutaru’s skin is quite close to some types of Ozutsu. (Although the Ozutsu in AoE4 is directly hold on hands rather than on a cart.)
I think Isolation should not provide artillery in order to be significantly different from European allies, and Japanese Isolation already has no button space.
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That proposal I made to produce only Falconets in an Artillery Foundry through a card/technology is exclusive to the Chinese. As you say, Hand Mortars are a mix between Culverins and Mortars, so the Chinese don’t need Culverins or Mortars, but the Flaming Arrows are exclusive to the Japanese and the Chinese do not have an artillery piece similar to the Falconetes that can be mass produced. And the Consulate artillery does not count because you have to pay a lot of export to get a few pieces of artillery mixed with other units, that’s why my proposals, which have a historical basis because the Chinese produced cannons similar to the Falconets since at least the 17th century. For balance reasons, these Falconets produced by the Chinese in Artillery Foundries should not be automatically upgraded (their upgrades must be researched), and in Chinese Foundries Hand Mortars and Flamethrowers could also be produced.
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