The most North one is Volga Bulgars
The one on the Black Sea is not Turk?
And Tatars should be covering crimea as welli think
Slavs should cover the rest of that part
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Actually houfnice have 1 more pierce armour over normal BBC and this contributes a lot to their survivability and matchup against ranged units. The hindustani bonus is probably going to be very good.
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I think those on the Black Sea are the Pechenegs, who were indeed Oghuz Turks/Turkomans just like the Seldjukids, Ottomans and modern-day Turks. The map can’t really be accurate anyway if it tries to represent 1000 years of ethnogeography without taking into account conquests and migrations.
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It’s 1000AD map so it’s Turks before they settled in Anatolia
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They never had knights to begin with.
Ya the way this civ is going to be played would be a lot different. Strength of the civ would depend a lot on how good their new UU is. I was just explaining how big of a nerf it is for open map TG to trade cavalry p.armor in castle age for gunpowder in imp.
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In TG, the ones that are going to suffer are the flank players of an indian pocket that are under crossbow attack.
I hope caravanserai affect allies as well, to repay the lack of support to the archer player.
That map on Reddit is completely inaccurate
They showed Turks in Russia, in Crimea, but even more inaccuratrely, they showed Afghans and Punjabis as Turks, when they are totally neither Turks nor Turkic.
Punjabis are of Indian Origin (Hindustanis) and Afghans are Persian origin
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Bohemians are a very strong civ on closed maps where this is useful but Indians/Hindustanis are not. In open maps, a point where 1 p.armor on canons is going to matter is going to be very rare. In case +2 range was a civ bonus and +1/+1 armor was a UT, that would have made them good on closed maps and then the extra armor might play a role. So I don’t think its going to be that good.
Wdym “very rare?” Whenever I make BBC and I’m up against someone playing archers they will try to shoot my BBC. It also lets them take only 1 damage from skirms, which might not sound important but it is actually quite handy.
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Actually I think they are not going to suffer because no one will pick Hindustanis anymore 
. If for some reason anyone wants to play Camels as pocket, they have Gurjaras.
True, but that happens when you make bbc/houfnice with the strong closed map civs like Bohemians, Burgundians, Turks etc. My point was Hindustanis/Indians are not a top tier civ on such maps and even if you pick them on those maps, the chance, that the game will be even against the meta civs till late imp, is very low. Its going to be useful when your opponent also has a mid or lower tier civ for closed maps like Hindustanis vs Chinese or Japanese or Incas. And this is just very rare. +1/+1 on gunpowder is not a bonus strong enough that makes them a top pick for closed maps
If anything I think the gunpowder armor bonus should be +1/+2 armor, so in fact we will have quite good Bombard Cannons with 7 PA (which tanks 3 more arbalest shots than Houfnice).
Also Hand Cannons with 6 PA is enough motivation to make them and forget the lack of Elephants archers and Parthian Tactics.
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Yes, +1/+1 for HC is never enough, they are quite weak even with Shatagni…
Ok, they could rework them then… and what do you have against my dots? xd…
Really? Because i see hand cannons more then ever and cant think of a reason they need further buffing.
I like it… and that the Ethiopians and Somalis use the same architecture they have in the 3 DE… and about the Fulani and the Ghananians is that they are very late (the Ghananians are from the seventeenth century and the Fulani from the nineteenth century) and are better for aoe 3 DE… the rest is fine
Compare Indian +2 range HC to Briton +2 Range Arbalest
- Briton Arbs get the +2 range for free (not through Castle → UT)
- Briton Arbs fire 50% faster than HC (even without thumb ring), and higher accuracy, making their dps better than HC
- Briton Arbs cost -25 resources
- Briton Arbs also get +1 range extra with UT if needed
- Briton Arbs are massable in Castle age as crossbows
- Briton Arbs don’t need the costly Chemistry research to be done
- Briton Arbs are easier to micro with the lower frame delay and higher attack rate
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Bad, an emotion had for new dlcs, one does not come out and they already want another xd…
Possibly put them later or directly in August…