3 heavy cavalry 3 light cavalry and 2 cavalry archers can make a lot of combinations.
As post above one civi without arbalester and one without last eagle upgrade is all that I can think of.removing castle age upgrades might make them too weak.
There might not be as many combinations as with mounted units but there is surely more than 1 left. After all the 3 meso civs have a lot in common: bracer, arbs, all blacksmith techs for infantry, siege ram, shipwright, and I’m probs missing some. They could try to make a meso civs without one of these, or they even could do a meso civ that has a cav UU despite having no stable (Mapuche). Even if they stick to eagles there is at least 4 combinations (no squires no BF no armour no elite) that could be tried, with appropriate compensation.
You sure you’ve played them at all? Like you said Ethiopian champs twice but they don’t have that… And both those civ’s UUs are black so you could use them more often if you want black units.
Interesting concept, I just wonder if it would be too strong to have two counter units fused into one.
Could also be a cavalry unit with bonus damage against other cavalries and archers, that way it would keep a susbstantial weakness to pikes, and low raiding potential due to low base attack.
I was thinking that it could have been the Genitour, instead they made it just a mounted skirmisher, weak both to skirms and pikes. Sad 
No elite will be a very bad design honestly. If anything we need an Imperial one. Another one could be a Goth version of eagle - quantity over quality. Eagle is x% cheaper but no UT to buff them.
We can’t know the proper answer unless we actually make one.
I think cavalry should never have a trash ranged counter. That will be very OP.
I was thinking about a cavalry unit with spear and shield, like Leitis, and Genitour came to my mind.
But yes, that unit if it was a cavalry one should be melee, not ranged.
I think it should be melee regardless of mounted or foot. (If it is a trash unit).
That was my proposal how this kind of unit could be designed, But I wouldn’t make it replace anything, just another trash option.
Ranged Melee Cavalry that counters archers and also has ok dps against light cav (not heavy cav though).
A new Meso civ that focuses on very cheap Eagles could be an interesting one, maybe through an UT (similar to Poles).
You have by far the worst Eagles, but also the cheapest!
I’d like to have new american civs, but please no more civs with the current eagle design.
I don’t complain, it is what it is but it’s also enough with the 3 eagle civs.
I think cheaper eagles is one way to kinda flesh out the eagles. I mean, it’s not really different from a variety of bonuses to Knight-line, imo.
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What about a civ with champions, halbs AND arbs, but no siege workshop so their only siege weapon would be the trebuchet in Imperial Age?
Extremely weak would be the right word for it.
How will they survive till imperial and building a castle to get the treb?I dont think we can remove anymore unit lines from a new civi,all the removable units are already done.
Many civs already have halbs arbs and champions. What is so special about that?
his idea is to have a meso civi with all the barrack and archery range units but no siege workshop or siege units.
It’s really going to get really boring and limited if more techs and units are not introduced.
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Okay…but still doesn’t change the fact, that this civ would be bad, if they have nothing else special. Champs and helbs are no special units…and losing siege for that would be a huge disadvantage
We dont have much room to add more units or techs without going to the second page of buildings like the dock.just look at the hun stable with all techs enabled its completely full.
American DLC
- 2 American architectural sets: Mesoamerican set & Andean set (new)
- 3 Mesoamerican civs (1 new) & 3 Andean civs (2 new)
- A total of 6 American civs
Tarascans civ (Mesoamerican set)
Tarascans icon
Sïkuapu (left), Uakusï (right)
Muisca civ (Andean set)
Muisca icon
Guecha (club with studs and shield)
Chimú (Andean set) - optional 3rd new American civ
Chimú icon
Chimú Runner
Chimú Maceman
dude i don’t think i have to double check if ethiopians have champions if we are talking about skin colour. i could as well have sayd knights or archers or whatever really. the point is pretty clearly not that ethiopians have champions or not, is that more skin colours would be simple and cool visual change
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