I don’t know guys. You wanted Poles and you got them. I think you should be happy or are you not?
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I agree. And it would make lots of sense from a historical point of view too as Poles were never known for excessive or particularly great use of archers. Then again just removing Bracer or Arbalesters from them could make the civ garbage.
Why do you always have to be so toxic man? And not just ignore conversations you can’t handle and that aren’t any of your concern anyway?
We got Poles now, you can’t prevent that or have them removed with your negative talk anymore, so why continue?
This was you 2 days ago:
But now you start doing it again?
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I’m sorry I stop. I just don’t get you. That’s all.
I think the Poles are in a great spot competitively and all. Just weird to look at, you could literally swap the civs name out for something else: if it wasn’t for the Hussars, noone would notice.
No offence, and I really mean no offence, but in the West the pop culture representation of Poles is Winged Hussars and that’s all. It doesn’t really surprise me that they designed the Poles the way they did.
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I can’t wait to see Spirit of the Law’s deep analysis on how good the Poles’ eco actually is.
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I get that and that’s what I see as a waste of an opportunity to teach people about the Pagan Poles of the Middle Ages.
To be fair and not to rant, the Obuch still is an awesome pick for a UU. But apart from that they should have bad Archers but better Heavy Cavalry. If that’s nit-picking, then I’m sorry.
I’d still remove Arbalesters and Bracer or an Archer armor upgrade from their tech tree and add Halberdiers and/or Plate Barding Armor in return.
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The Folwark bonus is the best in the midgame I think. The farms reseed faster but they still have quite some food. The synergy with the Chinese is probably pretty good. In the late game, you don’t reseed that often but when you do, you get some instant 50 food. I was flooding food with Poles but the options they had weren’t that great in terms of cavalry. I guess Poles perform the best in the midgame .
Bohemians on the other hand seem like a scary late game civ with their Hussite Wagons. They can support their gunpowder easily with Trash monks too.
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AOE2 takes always some historical liberty, that’s all I’ll say. We’ll see in the following weeks how they’ll perform and I’m almost sure they’ll get adjusted.
Both economies seem quite good but I’m pretty casual so I can’t really judge good enough.
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Actually, chattras (the Vietnamese elephant UT) is a ceremonial umbrella, so having this effect instead of merely extra HP would fit it thematically.
I forgot the housing capacity of the folwark…
Bohemians don’t seem to have an outstanding booming eco btw, I will include them occasionally, but don’t expect them better than 1/4 of all civs.
Wow. The Dark Age Folwark is beautifull. If they nerf Szlachta Priviliges, tune Folwark a little bit and gave Poles last cav armor - this civilization will well balanced and can compete with best civilizations.
Poles have great voices and jingle, civ bonuses are super cool. It is really fun civilization to play. I need to try Bohemians too.
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This would be like the best case scenario without revamping the tech tree completely.
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Remember that fervor makes villagers move 0.15 faster. It is like an extra wheel barrow for some resources
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Well I think the whole Idea behind it is giving the poles that powerspike in late castle age, early imp.
Just the FOlwark and the stone bonus is potentially completely op.
BTW the winged hussar doesn’t seem to have a chance to shine really because of that cost reduction of the knight line. I think that should be changed somehow.
Doesn’t have much impact at that stage of the game. Maybe most with wood (cause farms after HC doesn’t have get any increase anymore), but to get it you need to make a monastery and research fervor… IDK if it’s even worth for booming.
Even berber farmers are just about .5 % faster than standard ones and that’s where it has the biggest influence.
But ofc i will get the gather rates for fevored vills at some time, it’s just atm I’m not in the mood to make this, cause I don’t expect it to be much better than standard.
Is the requirement that every single farm benefits from the folwark? Because that would be difficult to implement in reality.
Yes actually, I assumed that every folwark benefits 8 farms…
Maybe a bit too optimistic, but it’s a theoretical evaluation after all.
I mean I did basically the same thing for chinese besides even pros don’t execute them optimally most of the time.