AOE II Dawn of the Dukes: Bohemians and Poles

You only need to add the Wanders to that beautiful image

Could the devs please reduce the frequency of the wolf howling sound during games. I do enjoy the new sounds added with the update but perhaps let us hear a wolf howl every 10 minutes or so, not every 30 seconds please.

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I think its a great simplification doesnt it? :slight_smile: Many Bohemian Catholics also died. Tbh I am not sure if we can be 100% proud about this period. Too much damage was done :slight_smile:

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i made a mod to change background, ui and music to match this dlc theme

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Name of mod? Looks awesome.

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Awesome. But want more Bohemians there :smirk:

Grunwald-Background-UI-Music

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The only thing I can complain about this amazing DLC is the new DotD icon
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I feel that it is of lower quality compared to the previous ones

Isn’t that just the hat that Leičiai have?

Yes, it is
But if you check the LotW (super quality):
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Or the Last Khans:
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Those two are amazing

About the new campaigns icons, those are great and high quality (love them):
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The architecture issue is debatable but understandable. I kind of thought they could be Central too (by the way, they have Eastern European currently; Central is like Teutons).

As to Poles, the issue is one of misunderstanding.

The Hussar was added to the scout line way back to reflect the fact that Hussars in history are generally referred to as heavy, but their armor was actually a lot lighter than the heavy knights of earlier times, so they are more mobile. Since the focus in-game was on the Hussars, hence the scout line, the devs decided to keep them off the Paladin list for balance. Having said that, the Winged Hussar sure isn’t heavy cavalry, but it sure is a lot heavier than the regular Hussar.

But here’s the catch: Poles do have good heavy cavalry. They lack Paladin and Plate Barding, true, but they get Szlatcha Privileges. 30 gold knights is cheap as dirt, and available in Castle, so you don’t need them to be stronger, you can just buy more. Pretty decent trade-off.

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I get that but honestly it’s a terrible trade-off, even worse in team games. You outright get overwhelmed by any opponents stronger Cavalry (or Camels) when population gets capped and likely even before, while you hardly have answers to them, that are very costly on top.

I’d rather have Szlachta nerfed but give them at least Halberdiers or at best Plate Barding Armor or Paladins instead.
We don’t need to rush this because I am convinced that more and more people and most importantly pros will get to this conclusion eventually.

A few days in… I feel like access to halberdier should be removed from Bohemians and given to Poles, if everything else unchanged (maybe slight nerf to Obuch).

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I couldn’t agree more with this.

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I’m personally happy that Poles lack Halberdier. Finally civilization that lacks them. Poles are really strong Castle Age civ and their tech tree is so open you can go everywhere. IIRC correctly every civ focused on heavy cavalry has Halberdiers and acess to last cav upgrade so Poles missing the both give them a bit more distinction. I thought that Folwark boosts work of Farmers, but it’s not so their bonuses are not overpowered and they are fine. I think there is no excuse to give Poles Paladins and nerf Szlachta Priviliges. Therefore Poles could launch at battlefield of new Paladin - weaker than other, but cheaper.

I’d argue you could either lack Halberdiers OR Paladins and Plate Barding Armor. Missing both will make their Late Game extremely susceptible to Heavy Cavalry and Camels.
Nerfing their Szlachta Privileges in return for either of these would at least give them a chance to surivive games lasting until Imperial Age.

They don’t have any Archer-specific bonus either to take that route confidently and you will nearly always be forced to build castles with the Poles, should become boring pretty fast.

I can’t find it anymore, but I already made a test using aoe-combatism.com

They shred franks paladins with half of their units remaining and they lose to heavy camel just with about 1/2 of the camels remaining. Which is even better than the franks paladin as it loses with 3/4 of the camels still alive.
And this is even without taking into account that the polish cavalier only takes 30 gold to build and the folwark effectively reducing the food cost by a large margin. About 20-30 % depending on the pace of the game as you get the food immediately after building a farm.

Poles are the best of all heavy cav lines in direct comparison. Maybe they get more destroyed by arbs, but when comparing them with the other cav lines they actually look amazing, even in the lategame.

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I’m just not sure if this is true in practice, only having access to Cavaliers that even miss the last Armor upgrade while not being affected by an attack bonus or anything like that.

And only cost 60 % less gold and effectively 20-30 % less food because of the folwark bonus…

Yeah they are trash for sure… Luckily they have similar cost, too.

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Which is a nuisance in competitive 200 population games where quality matters more than quantity. Not to mention team games where this is an even bigger issue.