I noticed that Ulufeli-grenadiers are 2 pop, just like regular grenadiers. Giant Greandier-mercs are also 2 pop. I think it would be sensible to reduce Ulufeli pop by one, if need be just give otto a technology in age IV or V to reduce their pop - similar to haudenosaunee’s siege pop reduction. Otto could really benefit from some unit-difference in comparison to other euro-civs.
There’s already an entire thread on all of the buffs Ottomans should get, throw this in there.
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Oh, I wasn’t aware. could you link me to it?
Ottoman Grenadiers are wildly op as it is. They need to be nerfed. They wildly outperform Grens and with all the discounts are just way to good.
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I can see you feel that way. But they are only really usable massed and relatively late in the game. I think giving them 1pop would be a sensible compromise.
there is no world where the word “sensible” applies here
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8/10 troll believable
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Ottomans should be nerfed, yes!
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I think we need to be a little cautious buffing ottos. We dont want them to makes too good, so I suggest we also give them 60% of all resist. And to be absolutely safe, maybe give them a charged attack which can one shot most buildings.
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Should we made the Great Bombard cannon ball ricochet?
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Wrong they clearly need buffs.
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a sensible compromise would be if they get 1 pop, then when they die they explode and kill all otto units on the map
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Apologies, now that the thread has been liked I can see that Ottomans clearly need many, many buffs.
Since I don’t remember anyone pointing out the weakness of the Ottoman navy, I suggest that Galleys be able to move across the land by using the paddles as legs. Additionally they should have 100 base range and line of sight to ensure other ships can’t abuse their lower hp by attacking them.
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Apology accepted but don’t let it happen again.
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Thats a great reference to the siege of constantinople, when the ottomans moved parts of their navy over land!
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It was a troll thread and it got shut down. It was all sarcastic there.
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Ah thank you. I think we should not troll the devs or other players.
If changes are unpopular the players will let the devs know and the devs will also recognize it.
I (and I suppose the majority of the players) want the game to be more enjoyable and fair, at least that’s why I am making those threads.
there is nothing fair about the current state of the Ottoman civ.
It should never have gotten an archer pike hybrid and for certain never even gotten the Ulufeli in it’s current state.-
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But if that is the common opinion why does the dev-team not change that? I guess they must have a deeper understanding. Did they ever chime in on player opinion about the otto?
Word from the devs is rare unfortunately. It’s been a long time since the last patch.
I believe the general player sentiment is that Ottomans are top tier in 1v1 with the US. Some people might put the Germans in there as well.
Ottoman Grenadiers certainly don’t need a buff and are probably the most annoying unit Ottomans have at the moment.
A lot of threads have been made about the ottomans, one example being my own addition to the genre Ottomans historical weaknesses have all been removed…
The satirical thread had a point: Ottomans are super op, everything is better than it should be for basically no reason. The amount of engagement it got was fairly large, imo because people were having fun at the expense of something that has been unfair for months.
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