Catalog of proposals on minor factions/civilizations (AOE-3 BASIC + TWC + TAD)

So in this game we have:

  1. Native American Settlement (American maps)
  2. African Kingdoms (African maps)
  3. Royal Houses (European maps)
  4. Holy Sites (multicontinental)

So what would you call the brand new Asian Minor Civilizations category???
Asian Dynasties? - such a name would fit the European and African Minor Civilizations and would also be a reference to the “The Asian Dynasties” DLC for the classic version of AoE 3.

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Sounds good?
But I want Ainus and I wouldn’t call them a dynasty. :laughing:

You can create a separate category of coastal Minor Civilizations. In this way, several brand new Minor Civilizations from the Caribbean, Oceania and other parts of the globe (including Ainu) could emerge.

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Oh, that’s a good point.

Ainu are in Asia though, so you’d be looking for a “Holy Site.”

In Wars of Liberty we were planning a “Kamuy Sanctuary” for them.

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I’m not, because holy sites are stereotypical and restrictive. My biggest problem with DE and WoL is both decided to keep holy sites as the only type of minor civ in Asia.

Asian civs should have never been laser-focused on religion and the fact people refuse to do anything different because nostalgia or balance or “they have religion” or whatever else really bothers me. DE didn’t even add more full civs from Asia.

Besides, most of the units the holy sites give aren’t even religious in nature, only the Sohei and (if you’re really generous) the Qizilbash, which wasn’t even added on TAD.

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How about enclaves? I have heard that in Asia there are some enclaves.
Could it be a new category of minor civilization?

I have no idea what is an Enclave.

Vatican
San Marino
Lesotho

It’s like a country within a country, (Isn’t it?)

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Thank you for explaining. I guess that could work.

Also, I think at least some of the current holy sites could be renamed to something less religious. Like Punjabi/Sikh for Udasi. Someone suggested Rajputs for Bhakti when I suggested this.

I guess Sufi could become Qizilbash and the unit Qizilbash could become Qizilbash Rider.

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Potential brand new Holy Sites:

  1. Hussite Camp
  2. Protestant Settlement
  3. Orthodox Lavra
  4. Caucasian Monastery
  5. Catholic Basilica
  6. Shinto Shrine
  7. Theravada Temple
  8. European Muslim Mosque
  9. Gelug Temple
  10. Caucasian Mosque
  11. … etc.
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They should just call them Minor Factions, with the regional Prefix added just to differentiate them (Asian Minor Faction, Americas Minor Faction, etc). That covers all bases - religious sites, native tribes, Royal houses, regional settlements, etc, without belittling the settlement as well as adding flexibiility for the future.

This opens up the possibility of having ‘Rebel/Revolutionary/Movement Camps’ (for example a Jacobite Camp or even a Rebel Peasant camp - representing many peasant uprisings, with cheap, farm-tool brandishing units,) and more interestingly Regional Mercenary Camps - Wokou encampments, Landsknecht camps, Condottiere companies, Imbangala Free Company camps, etc. Merc ‘settlements’ could even have a market-style inflation/deflation of merc price (the stock).

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The ‘Unknown’ map once gave me an opening with the possibility of allying with the tengri, and apparently there is an upgrade that allows you to train Mongol scouts.

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There should be native settlements in Asian maps as well, I’m not sure why they decided to focus on religious sects. While various religions definitely did exist in Asia, their role wasn’t as significant as in Europe or in the Middle East.

Proposed native settlements for some Asian maps:

Ainu - Hokkaido

Jurchens - Manchuria

Koreans - Korea

Sinitics - Yellow River and Central Plain

Hmong, Yi, and Tai - Parallel Rivers

Hmong, Zhuang, and Yao - A potential new map for inland South China

Danjia and Hlai - A potential new map for coastal South China

Javanese, Sundanese, Bugis, Moluccans - Indonesia

Dayaks - Borneo

Viets and Chams - Indochina

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They could also fit Manchuria, Kamchatka and Honshu
And Sakhalin, if such a map got made.

Asian and South/Central American maps have this problem of covering too much irl territory, which makes it hard to add minor civs to those regions as devs refuse to do anything about those maps but want minor civs to fit at least 5 maps (even though some of the pre-existing ones don’t).

Same for northern south america. I’ve proposed/talked about the Arawaks once.

And a Palmares minor civ in the Brasil maps would be amazing too (although i prefer a Hausa revolution for Portugal or a Brasil civ with Palmares as revolution lol).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oZ1sRieiPk (movie Zumbi King of Palmares, the african kingdom in Brasil)

Other proposal

Amercia

Muiscas

It’sd annoy me to have Zapotec on South American map. It’s better to replace the Zapotec by the Muisca on the following maps : Amazonia, Andes, Orinoco. Also removing Maya on Orinoco map can be good.

Maybe we can have Muisca on Panama map without removing the Zapotec here.

Their UU is obvious : Guecha warrior and their voiceline are already done in AoE2, not a big work to ad them in AoE3.

UT : salttrade (span a salt mine) Eldorado (gain xp in exchange of gold)

Yahgan

People of the southern top of South América. We have no minor civilization here until now.

UU : a bowmen

Maps : Patagonia
New map : Tierra del Fuego

Siberia and north Asia is almost empty

Ainu

UU : archer
UT : Aconite poison (ainu archer deal poison damage)
Iomante ritual : spam tamed bear at the TC

Maps : Honshu, Hokkaido, Kamtchamka

Nenets

Maps : Siberia, Yamal

Yakuts

UU : An horse archer
UT : Yakut knife (horse archer deal more melee damage), Yakut cattle (spam cattle at the TC and domestic animal fatten faster)

Maps : Siberia, Yamal

Africa

Pygmy

UU : a bowmen

Maps : Congo basin, Lake Victoria

Other native for a potential Zulu civilization DLC with southern african maps

Boer

UU : Boer sharpshooter.
Trek Wagon

UT : gold mine of Johannesburg (span a gold mine cart)
UT : diamond mine of Kimberley (span a diamond mine cart)

Khoikhoi

Useful in savana map and I want to see this bull in AoE3

San

Useful in desert map

UU : a javeliner who can also gather berry and hunt animal.

Shona

They build the great Zimbabwe

Xhosa

Many wars between this people and the Dutch and Brittish

UU : an infantry with a spear and a big leather shield

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Ideally they should also come with Kuril and Sakhalin as new maps. I’d also like the territory represented by Honshu to be split into three maps and the current Honshu map to be renamed to Shikoku. I think for variety, Japanese maps could also have a third minor civ (Matagis maybe?).

As for South America, they could also get Guaicurus, Tehuelches, Minuanes (all three of which acquired horses, from what I can tell) and Guaranis.

Other regions that I think could be represented by more maps are Mexico/Central America and South America in general (probably the reason why they refuse to remove Zapotecs and Mayas from South America is how few Mexican maps they are), India, Mongolia and Indonesia. Maybe China as well.