Elephant Archers are still crap (acc. to Viper, Hera & Nili), even with -10 Gold and 2s reload time

you can give whatever role you want to it, but I still trust Hera, Viper, Daut, Lierreyy etc’s opinions and actual gameplay much more than you

have any of them tested it since the change? all you have is hera’s initial reaction, which is not proof. he has done ZERO testing of the unit.

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New EA seems good to me, and I am glad a bunch of non-Infantry civs lost Supplies.

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Hera and Viper were wrong about Goths. Goths were consistently strong for 2 months now, and were at the top of the winrate when they were at their weakest.

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Now i am waiting for a new EA mastapiece video from Viper. Last time it didnt ended well…

As a low ELO player, the buff is good enough to me (including camel buffs)

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He literally said “TO BE HONEST ITS STILL TRASH”

with absolutely zero testing done with it.

also still waiting for you to show me a elephant UU that sees regular pro level play.

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Well, 20 seconds more isn’t a huge nerf.

On that I agree, I mean, they are a better now, there is no denying that, but they still lack a specific role, I think Indians still have better options than EA.
Still it’s better than nothing, and a lot of civs that we discussed that needed some change weren’t even considered.

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May be true or not. It hasnt passed a day since the patch. Pro players need time to test their hypothesis

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And what about your and @JoJo9942’s accusation on me that I am the one saying it is still trash and not Hera??? What about that claim now huh??

These are your words. Pretty vile ones. You wanted a buff for them and they delivered two of them, if you are not satisfied with it, not their fault. At most I’ll give them anti archer and hence anti skirm bonus if the current changes are truly not good enough

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It is, considerering Eagles are likely the only Melee unit that Mayans will ever go for, now that they lost Supplies.

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i think JoJo sums it up for me.
Hera actually says it might be a little bit more viable. that would be better then F tier. he also claims it doesn’t deal a lot of dmg.
the unit literally has the dps of a cav archer.

so by your logic, hera is saying almost every archer in the game is low dps.
bet most people would disagree with him.

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They already lack champion upgrade, yes supplies is useful, but they rarely used the militia line, so they nerfed a thing that they barely use.

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It was at least useful against other Eagles, but now it will not even be considered.

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Hera literally said “TO BE HONEST ITS STILL TRASH”
Tell it to HIM that HIS words are too vile, like you tell me

hera didn’t test it.
hera didn’t say it was F tier still.
hera did say it was at least a little viable.
hera also said it was low dps. the unit has the same dps as a cav archer.
so is almost every archer in the game now a low dps unit? according to you, that would be yes.

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Cav Archers being low DPS is news to me!

I guess we should buff Huns and Magyars…

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and mongols and cumans. oh and since cav archers are low dps, that means normal archers are low dps.
MAYANS NEED A BUFF GUYS!

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I’d still say its a nerf to the big power spike Mayans get at early imp

I don’t think they ever used it either way, they had their better eagles to deal with that

I don’t think repeating this is going to make it more relevant and I don’t need to tell him because I can judge it for myself. I just want you to not pretend like its not your negative opinion reflected on this thread, its Hera’s.
I wanted it to be usably good for all its cost like the Ballista Elephant which it wasn’t pre buff and they delivered.

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