And I don’t trust your trust on the second best player on the world because youre not the second best player of the world blablablabla
You have to trust other opinions to have a proper argument
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Dude, let Hera test them
If his opinion didn’t change, then come here and post as much as you want
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Hera literally said its a low dps unit.
By that logic all archers are low dps.
By the way. You said you wanted it out of f tier, well based on his rankings id move it up to at least the top of d tier now, as it has more healrh and dps rhen the ballista elephant and costs less
No, one cannot (and should not) indiscriminately trust anyone.
You have to trust those with much better experience than yourself have to have a proper argument.
So do you agree that all archers have low dps then?
Don’t take these pro videos seriously after 1 day. Lets see how they fare now. In normal games also.
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Arguably hera isn’t the second best player in the world , viper is. Hail to the Chinese overlord Yo.
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Yeah nice one, not even having tried them yourself properly and only because someone else is taking a quick look over he changes and says they’re still bad, this must be the final truth. Do you think hera has every number in his head? 2.0 ROF means that they shoot as fast as arbs/CA, while having 350 HP, up to 9 pierce armor. They will deal decent damage while being unkillable by arbs and hard to kill by paladins.
At least for TG flank they’re very viable now. But yeah go ahead complaining without trying first.
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I’m not “complaining”, or asking for more changes or anything here, all I am doing is state the opinions of Hera, the 2nd best player in the whole world, about this “buff” of Elephant Archers and start a running discussion on them
This discussion will go on, there is no final word here
I did not imply that it is the final truth anywhere at all. ALL I SAY IS
So don’t paint me as being a prejudicial or an ignorant guy by saying things like
“But yeah go ahead complaining” and “someone else is taking a quick look over he changes and says they’re still bad, this must be the final truth”
And it’s not just “SOMEONE” it is HERA the 2nd best player in the whole world who is saying this.
But you did right in the title when you said that Heras opinion is “proof” that Elephant Archers are still crap.
Without testing you cannot judge the impact of this change, even if you’re named Hera, Daut or Viper
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Fine,I changed to “Likely still crap”
OK now?
Let’s get to actual fruitful discussion on the unit now, instead of discussions on the specific wording of the topic, which is a waste of energy and time.
My early thoughts about elephant archers:
I have tried the elephant archers in two team game matches and so far they’re actually insane. If you manage to mass around 20-30 they’re really hard to stop. In one match I had a british ally who massed longbows behind, and that actually made us pretty much unstoppable. An enemy guy was goths and starting spamming huskalrs but EAs eat huskalrs LOL, I didn’t expect that. Only real counter is siege onagers I guess. EAs are tanky so they can even take out heavy cavalry more or less. Halberdiers are much less effective now, although if you can spam it continously they can slowly start taking out EAs, the only problem is that Indians will also likely begin reinforcing. I think currently EAs are in a good place regarding teamgames. If you mass them they’re really hard to stop but that applies for many other units aswell and they have counters. Need to try them in 1v1s though.
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What does than even mean?
Why dont you go tell Hera that his words are vile?
I said EAs are STILL CRAP, he said EAs are STILL TRASH
Huge difference???
And yet you tell me my words for EA are vile and unjustified but not to him??
it still isn’t proof though.
proof means a test was conducted.
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Few point:
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There’s a huge difference between analyse and testing. Many top players said that the 35% discount on infantry for goth was useless and guess what… they got wrong! You don’t need to be good in analysis the patchnote to be good at this game… It helps but it’s not required
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Hera often overeact to patchNote (example : plume archer nerf)
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I prefer 3 up in a row to EA to make them decent/good than a big up, one awful month with OP EA and then a nerf the next month. We do not need a steppe-lancer-like balance…
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i doubt they will ever buff the EA that much, due to the fact that Indians are already a good civ as is
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Massing this is very difficult, but now, from your description, it seems that it works as intended!
Really? Have you figured out the reason? It seems very strange
It means try them first instead of making posts an hour after a patch just because a pro player said ‘they are still trash’ in a 10 second read. I think you suggested for a gold discount last week, and they delivered and they’re also better in combat now. I don’t get why you’re complaining without your own experience.
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Did you notice that for the last three patches, there have been a thread for elephant indians? 