Except wreck plumes hard. Even in castle age they destroy them.
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They stand helpless while swarms of Plumes and also Eagles raid the unprotectable-by-EA Indian economy
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I hear walling is a thing.
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I hear Kiting is a thing.
Especially when a unit has >133% the speed of the other
HC for EHuskarl??? cost ineffective and anti archer bonus, not agree at all
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If you wall they arent in your eco. What does kiting have to do with that?
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No, HC deals full bonus damage against Huskarl, and is a viable counter.
with hussar meatshield it should be effective
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#LearnToWall
Walls exist to make economies unraidable.
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I’m not sure if they do full damage, at least in the wiki says:
Hand Cannoneers are treated to be archers (even though they use firearms) in the damage calculation, so Skirmishers and Huskarls have attack bonuses against them, and Huskarls also have a high defensive bonus against their piercing damage.
I will test it, but HC does piercing damage
That’s one thing, the point I said was the gold cost of HC vs EH, and the damage that EH does to archer, so HC is not an effective counter, melee counters are the best, but practically tatars “doesn´t” have barraks, and EH + halb is not a good thing for cav and HCA
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Ethiopians are fine vs Goths.
Cavalry+CA civs suck vs Berbers.
I tested a scenario like that on combat simulator quickly.
20 hussar+20elite jan+5siege ram (5075 res)
Vs
60 condottiero (5100 resources)
Italians won with %80 remains.
Pure Condottiero? Just go pure cav and win.
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Hand Cannons work fine vs Huskarls but it’s a slow transition, the Goth player has a chance early imp.
Pure Condottiero? Just go pure anything and win. 11 
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yes Huskarls 2 shot HCs with their bonus, JonOli12 wasn’t talkin about that. And HCs do 17 damage to Huskarls.
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Turks have cavalier. Genbow looks scarier in this situation.
They do, since Huskarl Pierce Armour cannot diminish the +10 bonus damage that HCs do againts infantry, only Bonus Armour could do that (a hidden stat that Cataphracts have, for example).
HCs both deal bonus damage and take bonus damage from Huskarls.
Alos, Hussars win against Huskarls in equal numbers, with a lot of Hussars left.
Huskarls are bad against Melee units in general.
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what kind of test is that? why’d you make siege ram against condos? I mentioned SR because people bring up genoese xbows in Italians vs Turks
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It may actually be better for the Turks player to go for Campions + Onager, when against Italians.
People often forget Turks have FU Champs.