no, you said [quote=“Parthnan, post:1, topic:90912”]
Archer line can now micro against their supposed counters like Mangonels and even Skirms
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while you can micro with archers against mangos (even tho it’s really hard and a single attack ground can destroy a lot of archers), microing against skirms is a whole different story, especially if you have similar number and upgrades. Even assuming that the other player will no micro his skirms, skirms take just 2 damage from archers and you need a shit ton of time to kill them.
Assuming both sides micros at a similar skill level you’ll need Lierrey tier micro to not get destroyed. Archers can’t just outmuscle skirms, it’s simply not true especially on same numbers, upgrades and same skill level.
If you are taling about a massive number advantage from the archers players you argument is still invalid
So exactly, I clearly have stated that Skirmishers are the supposed counter to Crossbowmen, why they are. Unless equal numbers and dodging micro, especially after Thumb ring, as Thumb ring makes only Crossbows fire faster not Skirmishers.
and yet despite being asked numerous times to back this claim up, you haven’t.
so again - provide us a game where this actually happened. you were literally asked to do this back in your july archer thread and here we are 3 and a half months later. without a single source to back up your claim.
and it doesn’t matter that thumb ring doesn’t impact their fire rate.
a castle age crossbow does 7 damage per shot fully upgrade - and the skirmisher has 6 armor fully upgraded. meaning elite skirmishers take 1 damage a shot from archers, requiring 35 hits to kill.
meanwhile a skirmisher in castle age does 5 damage base + 4 bonus damage for a total of 9 damage against a pierce armor of 2. that means a crossbow takes 7 damage a hit and requires 5 hits to kill.
so again parthnan, as you have been asked for multiple times, in this very thread alone
so go ahead. show us this fabled crossbows beating elite skirms.
and its hilarious that you can even try to say this
when you just the other day made the claim that new arabia isn’t wallable.
no, you really can’t. crossbows do 1 damage a shot to skirms.
so again - it’s called the burden of proof - you are the one making a claim, you have to provide the evidence to back it up. show us Crossbows beating Skirms in equal numbers.
Probably 2017-2018 Lord DauT vs Kid Lierey… (11) .Pretty sure Lierey could kill 5 skirms from dauT with same amount of xbows back then. Not possible in these days as Lord improved his micro a lot.
Rejoice my friends!
For now at last the era of RIDICULOUSLY OP LEITIS IS OVER!
You need to rejoice and celebrate my friend! As are all the pros, for it took us a whole year to get this monster in it’s place!
This thread has achieved it’s purpose fully and has convinced all the devs and the balance team, including the pros of just how ridiculous the Leitis has been, and how ridiculou of a nerf they will need!
its place is a unit that will only see use in 3-4 matchups?
then you need to stop complaining about half the units you complain about, including the longswordsman.
imagine having the audacity to conclude its your thread that was the reason it got nerfed.
First, pros didn’t reach the conclusion you had. It’s you who quoted them. I don’t recall the pros using SOTL videos and unpractical math to achieve their conclusion. Also note that Hera wants many UUs nerfed, not just Leitis (he likes the Arambai and Kipchak nerf, and said Mangudai needed a nerf previously).
Second, apparently the balance team still disagrees with you on 90% of your other changes since we still have not seen nerfs to knights and archers, nor major buffs to UUs, nor generally a complete redesign of everything in the game.
Third, several strong TG options were also nerfed in this patch (Indian camels, Khmer elephants) which will result in paladin becoming the likely new TG go-to unit, and Franks and Lith are probably going to be the best TG civ in the game at most Elos. Probably not something to be happy about for someone who constantly complains about knights.
I will repeat it here yet again to spread the hilarity: Hera raged at boyars after they got buffed, even tho he was shredding them with chu ko nus, and he even added that he shouldn’t need halbs to counter them 11111111
Remember how you were keen on proving EA were not approved by Viper after their buff in one of the patches, but then later Viper admitted they are useful?
That is exactly what I talked about in the second half of my previous post.
Remember? Ofcourse you don’t.
In-game comments are said in the heat of battle and not in a clear frame of mind.
Especially because in the game in which Viper said “Elephant Archers are okay guys” TheViper was fighting and killing lower ELO people with mass EA facing almost nothing.
Now will you tell me who doesn’t remember and who does?
Oh, now I remember. You actually disagreed with Viper after his reaction changed. He was no longer your valuable source so you just said he can make mistakes.
In-game comments are said in the heat of battle and not in a clear frame of mind.
There is a HUGE difference between in-game rants and the calm and collected analysis in patch update review videos.
in the game in which Viper said “Elephant Archers are okay guys” TheViper was fighting and killing lower ELO people with mass EA facing almost nothing.
