I have some questions

[SauravT]

1. Is the Berserker healing effect hardcoded? (With the unit number?) I think they should de-hardcode it now since we have the tools (since African Kingdoms).

2. How is the Khmer farming bonus implemented? I want to implement it with Chinese shepherds in my mod but I am failing continuously.

3. How do the devs decide which is an automatic bonus (context LotW patch from which Scout Cavalry in Feudal shows 5 attack instead of 3+2 attack)? Isn’t the teuton armor bonus on infantry and many others too automatic? Why not directly implement them in the stats since now we have the tool. The biggest one is Turk pierce armor bonus since it is in effect from start of the game.

4. Why isn’t Capped Ram for Cumans automatically researched in Imperial Age starts (since it is a Castle Age upgrade like Bodkin Arrow)? Similar for Burgandians’ economic upgrades and Cavalier.

5. How does the Feitoria generate resources just standing while the Keshik has to attack and Burgandian Vineyards’ farmers have to actually work (pick up food from farm, not walking around)? They share the same Feitoria ability in the properties so I thought they would be similar.

[SauravT]

@Juggernaut8704 @TriRem I need your knowledge

[Juggernaut8704]

1. Use this for healing effect
   or you can use this:
   

2. Hard-coded

3. There is a lot of inconsistency in this. Devs keep revising them every update.

4. Bug Report? My guess is they forgot to put the Cuman duplicate ram techs to be pre-researched in imperial age starts.

5. Feitoria Does Task on Class -1 (i.e. universally)
   

   

Keshik does its task on each of the individual unit classes 0 (archer), 6 (infantry), 12 (cavalry), 13, 18…

[SauravT]

Thanks a lot bhrata!

[HestiaAoE]

@SauravT

Similar for Burgandians’ economic upgrades and Cavalier

I feel like it’s for balance reasons? Imagine how strong Burgundians would be in Empire Wars.

@SauravT

Isn’t the teuton armor bonus on infantry and many others too automatic

My understanding is that scouts receiving +2 attack is a generic upgrade. In other words, it’s the scout unit’s intrinsic attribute. Civ bonuses are not intrinsic.

[SauravT]

@PilgrimHYR

I feel like it’s for balance reasons? Imagine how strong Burgundians would be in Empire Wars.

Campaign scenarios > Empire wars

Moreover many bonuses are actually curbed in Empire wars, like Lithuanian food bonus and Aztec gold bonus.

[SMUM15236]

@SauravT

Why isn’t Capped Ram for Cumans automatically researched in Imperial Age starts

And why none of the newest civs UTs are not researched in DM?
I think it is also for balance purpose. I made a thread regarding this before.

New civs in DM

[tyhg] [dfg] So the 2 new civs can research their UTs in DM opposed to other civs who got them researched for free. I think this is intentional as their UTs are different than others. And I’m okay with Burgundians I suppose. But Sicilians UTs are very very OP in DM. They can build TC and Castle in half of the time. They can literally drop a castle immediately at the start (it built way faster than you can even imagine) and then start adding TCs later. Once you get 5 TC, research the Third Cru…

[SauravT]

@Mubashir158

And why none of the newest civs UTs are not researched in DM?

First Crusade: you basically start with +7 or +14 (Budapest) units which is broken.

Scutage: You start with +15 gold, so it is wasted.

Flemish revolution: You start with 4 military units and 0 villagers. So you get up quite slow.

Burgandian Vineyards: You start with 0 food. Instant loss, because your wood + gold units are also garbage. Moreover you are capped at 3 villagers for a long time.

Combining the Burgandians UT: you start with 20000 gold and 4 military units. And you can make nothing, since you have neither villagers nor food.

So this was intentional. I already pointed this out on reddit.

[SMUM15236]

Sorry I linked different thread. I mentioned everything you described in this thread actually.

Upcoming Unique units & buildings stats and tech tree

Just realized 3 out of 4 new UTs will be either useless or broken in DM. Here is why - The game only sees the after effects of age and tech research in DM. For example, Ethiopians start with +300 food and +300 gold and Tatars start with 2 extra sheep in DM. So Burgundians will have 3 Flaming Militia instead of 3 villagers, and 0 food 20000 gold instead of 20000 food and 10000 gold. Without villagers you can’t do anything and you can’t train any villager as well since you don’t have any food. Ba…

@SauravT

I already pointed this out on reddit.

And me on this forum.

@SauravT

Scutage: You start with +15 gold

This one should be researched in DM just like Vietnamese Paper Money.

[SauravT]

@Mubashir158

This one should be researched in DM just like Vietnamese Paper Money.

Vietnamese Paper money provides approximately 33 military units worth of resources, which may not be great, but is fixed irrespective of the research time. Obviously having extra resources at start >> having the same amount later (like Lithuanian food bonus vs Ethiopian bonus in Feudal age alone).