Indian and Persian Elephant suggestions

So you think Indians can win without Camels? What’s your logic here?

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Indians are an Archery Range civ, and Imp Camels are just there to be quasi-Paladins, but not as good.

Hey, I have never stated that give Persians Elephant Archer.
Persians has no elephant in my version. Please read it clearly.

Now This. What shall I say, I dont know what to say anymore.

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No he is actually half correct in my opinion. The Indians Archery range has the following: Miss Arbalesters, okay. Bonus to Skirmishers? Rarely do civs have that. Heavy Cavalry archers- one of the best in late game. Hand cannoneers- one of the best.

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I was just stating that Elephant Archer is a very weak UU and will ruin them.

Also, as I said before, changing a civ UU can have drastic consequences.

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Hand Cannoneer is Archery Range unit though…

Yeah, but I stated above

FU Skirmisher, FU Cav Archer, Shatagini Hand Cannoneer.
Sultans Gold UT, and Villager boom that allows easy mass Wood collection.

Seem like an Archery Range civ to me.

Do you play anything other than Spanish and Portuguese?

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FU Skirmisher, FU Cav Archer, Shatagini Hand Cannoneer.
Sultans Gold UT, and Villager boom that allows easy mass Wood collection.

Seem like an Archery Range civ to me.

The SPANISH get just as good HCA and better HC, HC firing 18% FASTER, and no gold blacksmith and best trade.
Now, are the Spanish an Archery Range civilization according to you and Jon Oli??

If we determine to rework civs to improve the accuracy and keep the balance, changing UU should be regarded as one of the methods.

And maybe new UU can also be an attractive unit.

Gonna quote @anon63664082:

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I almost never play Spanish or Portuguese.

I am not infatuated with my own civ in the game, nor do I demand it changes for historical accuracy.

Cohincidentally, Indians is one of my most played civs.

I still keep it under the balance, okay?

How can you be so sure that reworking must break the gameplay and the balance?

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How can you be so sure that everyone will like the change?

No offense.
But are you a dev?
Since only the devs / pros can balance something like this.

You may saw that I never said I am sure that everyone will like it.
Even if some people may dislike my version, I still have a right to state it and share it to others, then maybe someone will like it.
Also, not everyone like changes and not everyone like the current situation.

Nope. But I have discussed about tech tree balance with many players for many times, most of them are not English speaker although.
If you mean only devs / pros can judge it is balance or not, every topic about balance and update suggestion will be opposed by you.

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Balance suggestion != Changing UU

As a mod, yes
As a game update, you cannot ask the devs for this

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The suggestion can include changing UU, however.
It is the other thing that the dev will accept or not.

Had you seen I was “asking”?

I have stated in many topics before that the dev is hard to make some of my hopes come true.
But I still can hope it, right?

Not if the majority of people disagree with it.

Which usually doesn’t get much love.

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The Spanish lack Parthian Tactics.