same as those “haters” want to not endorse the release of poor quality games like this one . remenber that aoe players are used to quality and smth that is not at that standard is not welcome and damage the franchise that those players and everyone here wants.
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How many other AoE games have you played?
And how much do you care about this game and the franchise aside from having fun on multiplayer?
There is a group of people who are here because AoE4 actually is far backward from other Age games and think that it doesn’t build up on the richness of the previous games of the franchise.
These people aren’t haters. They care a lot about the franchise. Learn the difference.
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AoE4 is missing simple stuff at launch that we had in 1997.
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I played aoe 2 extensively, aom, aeo3, and now here.
I didn’t enjoy 3. Stopped playing almost immediately.
But I didn’t get online and hate on the game and the devs.
Many people love aoe 3, I don’t waste my time telling them it sucks or that there are better games or aoe2 was better.
I enjoy Aoe4 and appreciate the work done by this dev team.
So I get agitated at the seemingly endless spiteful, entitled, echo chamber of “game dead, game suck, relic stupid” that this forum has become. There’s allot to appreciate
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And a lot not to appreciate as well.
You like it and that’s fine.
Others don’t and that’s fine too.
Honestly, the real complaints are about how this game shipped without basic features that AoE has had for years. If people won’t complain about that, then what will they complain about? These complaints are not personal opinions like “AoE3 sucks”. These are concrete complaints about what the game is missing.
These are complaints from people who gave AoE4 a chance (unlike you who claims you stopped playing AoE3 immediately but still think it sucks).
It’s $60 my friend. As much as any AAA game these days. If AoE4 was $20 like the definitive editions, that would be another story.
I would not pay $60 now to play a completed game 2 years later. I’d rather pay when I know I’ll get full value.
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Most fights between aoe2 and aoe3 are around the different playstyles. That’s subjective.
Most complaints on aoe4? Lacking of features and details, some of which are so basic that 20 years old RTS had them at release, some of which should not be extremely difficult with today’s technology.
The result is the game tries so hard to mimic aoe2, but also lacks some very basic things of aoe2 (20 years ago), but also skips maybe 10 years of development of gaming industry at the same time.
I do not know anyone on this forum would really like the idea of not having random maps in an RTS, very limited zoom in a 3D game, or horse/chicken-shaped garden statues inside town centers and stables in 2021 etc. Yes there are people who do not care but I do not think anyone would like those stationary chicken and horses to death. That’s objective.
What I cannot comprehend even more is why a lot of people who “do not care about something” have the fetish of yelling “no I do not care about that” to those who care about it and ask for it. I mean if you don’t care about that something being discussed and it will not hurt you if some other people get what they want, why are you here anyway?
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I’m here to share ideas and appreciate the game, want a community that actually wants more people to enjoy the genre and find happiness outside the daily grind. My problem is with the constant demeaning of something I enjoy and want to see grow.
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If that was the only thing being said I’d have no issue, but the reality is there is a constant stream of hate toward not only the game but also the people who made it.
I understand if many are underwhelmed at the initial launch or the wait between patches, but highly opinionated posts that degrade the developers and the game because of this are prevalent, many of which are baseless accusations of incompetence.
For every one post about ideas or sharing gameplay there are twenty from the same few people saying the game is dead, or they have uninstalled and won’t play anymore. It’s just sad to me that the discussion is generally negative.
I know many of the angry posts are from people with well over one hundred hours of gameplay, which confuses me because at $60 that’s an amazing deal, I’d pay, and have paid, $60 for 30 hours of entertainment, we all have, and had no problem with it, the problem people have here must run much deeper than the price. The campaign alone is entertainment enough, with the cutscenes and history. Playing with friends is fun, playing vs Ai even has value, learning all the civs and getting all the masteries takes a while as well.
There’s no premium content, so why on earth would one be displeased?
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Some people enjoy being salty in general , and more than that gamers have become so easily bored and soft ready to whine and cry for everything thats out of their mindset or comfort zone .
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You really should read the entire thread before you chalk it up to this.
Ya ever heard of a writing element called a hook?
We wanna grab attention and spur discussion about the missing features and broke state of the game. If I genuinely hated the game I wouldn’t play it.
I know price was mentioned but not by me personally, I don’t really care neccisarily the price, it’s more that it’s priced as a full release when it clearly is not ready for full release. Read my other posts in the topic Why people are still leaving? I don’t understand…
Why don’t we touch on this though?
Like diplex said, it isn’t about me not simply “liking” the game, as you did not like AOE3.
I use aoe3 as en example a lot bc it has a graphics style I enjoy and all the features from aoe2 plus a few cooler ones and specifically I want people to look at how siege was done in aoe3 compared to the clusterfuck we got here.
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I’ve never once degraded the developers, I always take care to clarify that these people have no real power and or say in how and what direction the game is developed, and simply write the code.
All blame from my end goes to executives/design leads.
Sure but the underlying gameplay and single player is still wonky as hell. Just bc the AI doesn’t spam bombards doesn’t mean if you don’t you won’t waltz over anything still.
I am actually happy about a lot of other aspects of the game, and have voiced this as well.
I’m vocal about things that need to be changed like a senator about an issue they want addressed, look, you don’t catch people lobbying to change something that’s already fine, I’m not on the aoe3 de fourms or aoe2de fourms because those games are fine and quite frankly are not brand new releases, I don’t expect that much from them.
But why are you so willing to accept less? Have EA and Bethesda really conditioned you so well to accept unfinished products?
Enjoy the game, hate the game, you’ve still gotta be able to step back and take an objective look at features that are missing compared to other RTS games.
Bro idk what crack you’re smoking, I’ve played all sorts of RTS games with vastly different mechanics and purviews, I just want aoe4 to have all the features and emphasis on historical accuracy that I am a fan of the age of empires series for.
Idk how speaking up for what you want in a game is soft while I actively confront people like you who provide nothing but to degrade the passionate people here trying to get the devs to listen.
If you enjoy the game so much why are you here? You’re just trolling the fourms? What issue are you here to advocate for? Or are you just here to reply to things other people say and call them soft
Also I already challenged you to a rematch, not sure how soft that is. Reply maybe?
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So have you ever wondered why almost every praise about the campaign (including yours) only talks about cutscenes?
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To be honest, having a 2021 RTS with no color selection or random maps is truly beyond my mindset. I cannot imagine a single decision maker who thought it was a good idea, or a single player who would appreciate this.
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Did you ever think that many people here had not appreciated the lack of comunications, features, modes, dated graphic and more for the what should have be the best new iteration of a legendary franchise? A lot of missing thing and the lack of a real technological evolution (that most people were waiting for due the Relic Who Always signed some of the best Graphic in RTS) had simply broke the hype.
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For those who say that these “hater” threads are pointless and shouldn’t even exist:
Don’t forget that you have to thank all those “haters” that complain for your less OP siege, your properly working prelates, the lack of infinite resource exploits, the un-nerfed light cav, the slightly improved zoom compared to betas, etc…
The game is so simplistic that it does get boring after a while and the dropping number of active players reflect that. It’s a corporate, sanitized version of what once was a more complex, polished RTS franchise. Just look at lack of attention to detail and lack of basic features if you want proof of how uninspired all this game is. The only saving grace was the team in charge of audio design.
You really get the feeling Microsoft hired a B-team from Relic and their top devs are working on CoH.
Just remember that without “whiners/haters/pessimists” your beloved game would not see much improvements at all. On the contrary, seeing the game through rose colored glasses is completely counterproductive.
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These guys are well conditioned by EA
I am sure these guys are praising BF2042 in its forum page xD
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Yeah, it would 
Just because people are enjoying the game doesn’t mean they don’t want changes.
Don’t get me wrong, critical sentiment is important. But they’re not the only way that games see improvements.
I’ve seen one of the devs who frequently posts in support threads harassed (recently). I’ve seen many, many comments saying that the developers are incompetent or even need to be fired. These have nothing to do with the game being improved. These don’t help anything at all.
There’s also plenty of name calling going the other way. I don’t call anyone a hater or a whiner, and I still get plenty of stick simply for arguing in favour of the game or the devs. I’ve been called a shill so many times I’ve lost count.
Heck, look at the silly comment just above mine. Putting posters down just because they have a different view of the same.
So my question is: how do we get past all that?
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Anything involving money will always continue to adapt, if it brings it in it’ll continue to receive support, period.
However I would argue at the very least back lash in the community spurs more dedicated and responsive fixes to issues the community cares about instead of focusing on things like dlc and new content (which is great don’t get me wrong, but not when we have so much that is bare/missing in the base game)
I’d agree, and also point out that a lot of people put undue blame on the devs and don’t realize they are not the ones who make design and direction decisions for how the game is made, they just write the code and program as they’re paid to do. I’m sure a large segment of the devs would actually personally have preferred to refine and flesh out some things before release, but ultimately had a deadline to meet.
Some people can’t handle opposition, you and I have had plenty of disagreements but we’ve never called each other anything nasty.
I’ve had much more minor arguments with others that degraded much quicker, some people are just hotheads.
One of the more moderate ones I’ve seen tbh and honestly it’s more in context than some other things I’ve seen also, I mean I did reference EA in my argument earlier.
A little trollish sure, but still within the realm of the topic, I don’t see anything wrong with a little adversarial stancing like this, my problem is generally with people who have no other input than to just dissuade an idea or try to put down someone for wanting an option that literally would not affect them if they chose for it not to.
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I have been considering buying AOE 4 for a while now, but after reading so many bad comments, I think i will stick to AOE 2 which I still love. 
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I see it as the same thing you have a problem with. What purpose does comparing fans of AoE to fans of BF do, except put down those fans? It doesn’t advance the topic, and it further entrenches the “sides” in the discussion.
I mean, for sure, it’s a very mild example. I’d normally ignore it. But it was useful in-context as an example of how these things go south. I doubt you or other posters would like it if you were compared to a fan stereotype in a negative way. Isn’t that exactly what the person I was originally replying to taking issue with? “hater”, etc? They’re all pejorative labels, and they’re all unhelpful.
We all have bad days. But as someone who wants to be invested in being here, we need to be able to cut through the tension. All I keep on seeing is it ramping up and up, and it ruins good discussions.
It is a delicate balance. If we are talking about how not to put others down for having opposing views it’s a matter of common sense that keeps the debate fresh and non confrontational. When it becomes a race for who’s got the biggest stick or trying to impose a personal truth, it all narrows down to stopping the argument altogether as it will escalate into a fight should both peeps be hotheads and prideful.
If we are talking about the senseless banter and insults that go around they are for a variety of reasons. It has to be noted firstly that there is a defined line between complains (example: man this is so shitt I can’t even play it / this doesn’t work and it will never work), blaming (example: it’s clearly their fault) and suggesting / pointing out a problem (example: This doesn’t work for X,Y,Z motives, [and this is why it doesn’t], [here is the data], [this is my suggestion]) .
Knowing this, and knowing we have both casual and competitive players it’s very obvious that casual players that enjoy the game, just enjoy the game because it gave them a good experience while the more competitive folk probably come from more popular games and got a more toxic behavior that’s often seen only there. And there, your skill, rank, whatever other social construct that they define as worthy of their validation based off of the guys they admire will be the definitive factor if you are right or wrong even if you are truly right or truly wrong about aspects of the game. It doesn’t really matter at the end when having such arguments because it leads nowhere, while at the same time you can’t let everyone do or say whatever they want. It is a delicate balance, as I said.
You can’t really change anything about the situation it’s up to each individual’s power if they wish or not to be productive towards the conversation or to leave feedback for devs to follow. As it is stated in the rules, most of what’s written will be ignored if it contains specific language or lack of clear and easy to follow argumentation, which I believe most of suggestions I’ve seen have. Some dev even said in a thread, maybe it is in this one, that the players have been heard.
So all you can pretty much do is continue to leave suggestion provide arguments and ignore what goes over the fence, otherwise you risk a negative response from others. As long as you are present and provide perspective, it’s valuable enough as I consider. To what extent everything is taken, it’s up to those who own the game to chose in which direction the game goes, what type of people they keep or please, and if they take the feedback or not. Either way certain people will stay and some will go, it is inevitable.
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