Jan PUP is here

The old Oromo was complete trash and the changes to them were necessary and in the right direction.

The case of Hakkapelits is a bit more nuanced. Sweden did need either a skirm or a goon unit to deal with certain matchups (such as against Rifle Riders) so it was a necessary change. However, they could have made it a bit more unique. They could blend the old and new roles of the unit by giving them both the heavy and light cavalry tags. They could even keep the multipliers the same as before this patch, but reduce their ranged resistance. That would make them get countered by both skrims and goons from range, while flipping those counters in melee.

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I correct you, the carolean exchanges very well vs Rifle Riders, they have a Heavy cavalry tag, and although he fights as equals vs carolean, the exchange of resources is in favor of Sweden. For that reason, I consider Lakota vs. Sweden is very favorable for Sweden, as long as the Swede doesn’t make silly mistakes.

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Just out of curiosity, which match up is unfavorable to Swedes?

No tiene nada que ver con el parche pero me gustaria hacer una referencia a algo

Capitån Español: Resemos para que santa maría nos salve! Santa María de Guadalupe, mistica rosa intercede por la iglesia!

Un rayo golpea el galeĂłn

Capitån Español: Uno de vosotros no resava!

Marinero Español: he sido yo me acorde de un chiste que me habían contado!

Capitån Español: Ay! que malaje tiene!

Procede a extrangularlo mientras se hunde el barco

Jajajaja me encanta esa escena. Pero ya sabemos como se portan los del ratĂłn :frowning:

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yo soy hispanista y busco desmentir cosas de la leyenda negra, pero se valorar un buen chiste xd y este es uno bueno

I think I don’t care anymore. At my level for some time it’s been the same lame civs/ metas for so long it’s not even fun anymore. Getting leveled by the same hot garbage over and over is no longer tolerable. This pup isn’t even going to scratch the surface. I’m out.

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They do worse against civs that have good dragoons. They still lack easily affordable skirmishers, so that should give you a few hints. Back when they were OP after release, i was playing mostly ports or Japan against them.

No opnion to any nerf or buff any fiction, but i think change this card is not a good move.

People use this card basically for Russian Blockhouse or Germans resources trickle. This is the main reason to nerf this card, right? Then the better way might be increase the cost of Russian and Germans shipments.

Directly nerf this card also unnecessarily nerf British ally and especially French ally too. I rarely see people use French ally. Is that really necessary?

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Not really, the trickle doesnt make a difference for those allies, you mostly want to get musket through intervention and now you make get them like a few seconds later but it doesnt really affect them

French is completely useless as it is, so it also doesnt affect it.

even if they revert france back to the old consulate, it will still only be decent with Good Faith agreement so a lesser trickle also doesnt do much

Yes, you just point out the problem that no one likes French ally


Is it ok to let french a meme ally forever? how about give it a buff?

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Hakka had its own role, heavy cavalry at range. This role had their own mercenary, the arquebusier.

Honestly I would prefer the previous hacka to the rework before the one they are going to leave now.

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They just need to revert it back to the way it was with 3 crates of equal value, been advocating for this since the change.

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I’m more certain than ever that Sweden’s economy needs to be toned down like I’ve said in the past, and that Hakka nerfs don’t need to be as drastic once the overall eco is fixed (although some changes are definitely warranted).

I’m already seeing lots of people in ladder (I’m top 200) in anticipation of the hakka nerf are simply staying in age 2, LITERALLY like I said, and are LAMING Sweden that way instead. Instead of putting all those resources into FF for Hakkas, they’re just start with an extremely strong start. Whether consisting of 6 minute halbs, also possible by their OP eco, or a strong defense while they torp up and - they can easily in a short period of time push with non-stop leathers + carrols or huss + carrols, or all three if they so please.

It’s like Brits used to be before the -100f start: fast age-up time, no sacrifice to army, no sacrifice to eco - just works hand in hand with zero effort or decision-making on what to sacrifice.

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Swedes now could stay in age 2 massing Irish brigadier (very hard to kill with age 2 units), and they have mountain troopers (a pretty good age 2 skirmisher) plus a very strong economy.

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In my opinion Sweden needs changes, I would bet to leave it as it was before with +100 food but -1 villager, Leave the hakkapelite as it was before but 20% worse but that it is unlocked at age 2 and at age 3 it has the improvement of Veteran, for that it would be good if they removed the hussar, they gave Sweden a dragon or their own light cavalry, I think it would be much better although Sweden really doesn’t need a light cavalry, for me Sweden is still strong without having to do Hakkapelita , Carolino’s timiing push with a lot of mass of leather cannons improved at age 4 with the card is very OP, see players like “celebrym” who execute that well and have a very good ranking,

A few small buffs that I would give Sweden is that with the blueberry letter the blueberry bush lasts a little longer because the truth is that the benefit is too little with respect to food to have a limit of 85 villagers

  • China card should not be nerfed
  • Feitorias seems to me that they will turn it into a garbage letter, I think that if they cut the food collection in half, it will be enough
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Sweden could always stay age2. They have the best age2 in the game. Have had the best age2 since the day DE closed beta came around. They also have a huge reserve of stealth OP units, hakkas aren’t the last, so the saga isn’t over yet. Just give it time.

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Oh yeah and the only age 2 artillery.
Everyone was focusing on the hakka nerf, but Swedes age 2 gets buffed even more with irish brigadiers.

to be fair here, grenadiers are age 2 artillery, but they sure are not as heavy hitting as leather cannons

Grenadiers are heavy infantry so they are countered (hard) by skirmishers and are de facto countered (soft) by cavalry. The tag does only bad no good.
Leather cannon is a “true” artillery.