leather cannon is a pain, but the big issue is actually the always brought up eco
aka, torps
normaly i main british and US, but only with sweden it often feels like i’m being well ahead at all times
but playing against swedes, well, wall every single mine, that “might” set sweden player back more than it’d set you back
what i’m getting at is, torp can technically only gather at half the settler speed, but keep in mind you can gather from up to 4 sources, and this rate is upgradeable with cards
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Yes, they also have two very interesting artillery buff cards. They have the economic power to sustain all sorts of cheese and strategies. Which is fine, but some may turn out OP.
Their hussars are also very tanky. Basically the xbox is the only unit that seems safe from cheese.
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I have always thought from day 1 that Swedes have too many uniqueness stacked together.
Well it does not look longer than non-Europeans on the “traits” list, but Europeans already have a good baseline, plus the contract mercenary + multipurpose units + all kinds of gimmicky buffs are even more “unique” than non-Europeans.
And an economy that supports them.
It’s very unlikely that the existing designs get reversed so the only way is to nerf their economy. The only period Swedes become “balanced” is with a weaker economy.
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Time will tell. I’m sure people will device new ways to play Sweden even without hakkas, so I don’t think it’s the case to be worried about them or the bright future of Sweden age2.
hakka is still a capable unit, don’t act like it can’t be powerfull anymore because 3 stats had minor adjustment
Russia has the best age2 in the game for scandal. If you create a game where you can only reach age 2 and not go any higher, and you make it play Russia vs Sweden, probably 70% or more will be won by Russia.
Fun fact, Russia and Sweden are civilizations that in theory have “26 cards” in the deck, Sweden has advanced arsenal and Russia has medicine.
Why would Russia win? They can rush but lather cannon + carolean can’t be countered by Russia in age2.
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What I would do (basic strategy), attack fast with 5 musk + 5 cossacks, quickly hunt down the villagers who are going to the gold mines (scouting half of the Swedish map well is vital) and start mass cossacks, strelets and musk , while maintaining constant pressure. Go double blockhouse and over time build more blockhouses around the map to prevent the Swede from completing his house boom.
Over time, no matter how many caroleans or leather cannons you can mass, the Russian deathball is superior.
The only hope for the Swede is that the Russian decides not to push intelligently and does not attack the Swedish houses. That you can defend yourself well with walls, with the 2 shipping leather cannons and go up to fortress age and update your units soon and ask for 2 falcs, in that specific case, I can only say that the Russian deserved to lose xD. But nha, in the long run if they both get stuck at age 2 or the Swede tries to push the Russian’s FB, it could end up very unfavorable for swed.
If sweden spawns double mine, their eco is unraidable. Russia doesn’t have enough siege to burn down the torps in age2.
2 leather cannon shipment ends the ruskets in one hit and caroleans counter cossaks from range. At my level, people simply FF against Sweden, cause they can’t be beaten in age2.
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If Russia maintains constant push, it outperforms you economically. Russia has enough siege and the torps are too weak.
5 Cossacks shipment end the 2 leather cannons and strelets counter the carols at range. At my level, the Russians push first to annoy, take map control and then age up.
Would strelet mass work against carolean + leather gun?
I imagine that even tho cannons counter strelets, the sheer numbers would be enough to surpass the aoe of the cannons, which isn’t much (pretty much 1 unit gets wasted at the time in stagger mode).
So caroleans get defeated by the strelets and they double as cannon fodder absorbing the shots of the leather cannons, so you can break them with the same strelets or whatever else (They have less ranged armor and health than falconets).
What u guys think?
I think russia also kinda wins the long age 2, I think china wins for the same reason, you can cost efficiently trade against swede for very long and as long as swede is contained to their base they are on a timer.
on taking down torps you just need to spare a batch of muskets to destroy them, it wont be super fast but they get the job done while your army keeps pushing.
Same with china, you just send the 7 pike shipment to go around and take down torps, like how you deal with japanese shrines
Leather cannons also kinda overkill alot against low HP units so they have a hard time clearing and usually the caro end up dying first
While russia probably has some advantage if played properly. Most Russian matchups are tough in such way that if you make a small mistake game has no recovery option, Leather + caro is superior to anything russia can throw. Through the proper usage of walls + caro + leather Swede has the strongest AGE 2 over Rus.
It is very sad to deal vs that if walls are properly used, so if you make tiny mistakes that you cannot escape age 2 as russ, and the swede uses all the tools available it is impossible to win as rus
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Russia’s bonus is only like 80% as good as the Medicine card. Not like Sweden straight up getting a free Advanced Arsenal card that also doesn’t have to wait for a shipment.
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I think they should revert their Settler cap back to 99 and just make their Settlers train more slowly. That would actually nerf their eco right from the start instead of cutting off their eco when it’s on the verge of being maxed out.
But caroleans don’t get defeated by strelets without the strelets going into cannon fire. This makes the trade far worse for the strelets. Also, leather cannons cost wood and food just like strelets, and can be easily massed.
Optionally, if Sweden is somehow deprived of gold they can still do pike + leather cannon and still be very difficult to counter in age 2.
Most people fight in age3 against Sweden because Sweden has a hard time dealing with dragoons. They are the only unit which trades well with Sweden.
It is true that Russia is one of the few civs that can potentially deal with age2 Sweden, but not for free and not an autowin.
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ever heard of cossacks, cossack strelet combo can work, but ofc with proper micro
Sure, if i outskill my opponent by 1000MMR i can beat his Sweden with any civ
Also, caroleans are counters for cossaks at range.
don’t be redicilous, yes sweden is strong, but not unbeatable, regardless of civ used
Uh, one civ having a good matchup under certain conditions does no service to the others. Sweden eco is and has always been off the hook.
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