You’re taking a video that proves that jans cant stand up to generic HC on a cost basis as validation for your point?
Lets see if I can make this simple enough this time. THERE ARE NO KNIGHTS RUNNING AT JANS. You WILL NOT see your fantasy comp that is actually vulnerable to jans. Because, people with more than 2 neurons to rub together know that jans are weaker vs infantry - you will see infantry and ONLY infantry. Prolly some anti siege if you need GB’s to cover for your deadweight ranged unit.
Here we see jans lose on a cost bases, when the HC’s didnt even bother kiting or had none of the many boosts available across civs. Meanwhile, everyone that can count knows that jans have more dps and hp per res than standard HC’s This loss is a slaughter in even pop.
What this DOES prove - since you need it laid out in veeeery small pieces - everyone who said that a jan based army comp cannot stand up to a generic hc based comp is completely right - as in, not you.
You cant do math - thats clear now. Apparently you’re still in you bubble that hcs overkill jans - jans have 105 hp at most and HC’s kill them in 2 hits with 120 damage after armor.
I have a better idea; lets make all the players ok with the current jan play only Otto with jan based comps. Any other meatsheild/support/siege/whatever - but jans have to feature heavily. Then play only ranked, record the vids and bring back the definitive proof of which side is right for all to see. That is, if any of you actually play the game.
I fear reading the rest if your post when you starts off like this…
Bc if we did a video of cost for cost of horsemen vs archers we would not see just 5 horsemen left alive…
If we did a video of spears vs archers cost for cost we would not see just 5 archers alive?
If we did a video of maa vs xbows cost for cost we STILL without micro would NOT just see just 5 crossbow alive.
For something you guys claimed was a HARDDD COUNTER…without micro proved to be just a counter due mostly to overkills WHICH would be a real thing in a real fight mass vs mass composition vs composition. Please dont spew any more BS on how youd perfectly 2 shot those jans if you were playing…
Sigh i decide against better judgment to read the rest of your post… did you watxh the demuslim video? The HRE vs otto?? The one where crackedyhere had basically all infantry with a few horsemen??? Crackedyhere the conq3 1v1 player? How many neuron does he have to rub together??
Also gonna post here another hre (the melee comp civ) vs otto but this time its Beastyqt vs winds-something, another conq3? Maybe he has a few neurons??? Also tried to run all melee comp??
The real questions is how many more videos before you quit?? Got a drongo got a demuslim got a farm man getting a Beastyqt?? At what point will you allow the MAFF and live examples to influences your prospective???
Relating its damage in proportion to its cost, it should have 23.3 damage, but it has 32 damage against cavalry, in equal resources with the knight, there are 3 Janissary for every 2 knights, that is, 48 damage. So it’s a very good unique damage against cavalry for this castle age civilization.
the knights are the strongest unit only countered by the spearman, so the unit Janissary is very good
You inserted a Spearman response to a discussion that was exclusively about jans vs crossbows or standard HC… you even lack the integrity to admit spears were NOT being compared…this is an example of one of your many strawman argumentation?
This is your whole post that you replied to @HasanIchess when he asked:
So where in your context do you make your response EXCLUSIVE to comparing crossbow to killing maa vs jans killing maa?? I quote the entirety of your post?
So… now that you’re cornered?? How did i cherry pick your blanket statement that supposed WRONGLY that xbows do more dps per resource than jans in castle when also considering bsm upgrades? ( Is it possible you can stay on a topic and respond to a specific question? )
See everybody more hand waving and insults… How about the rest of the posts that are still up and you even referenced at the start of your latest response? Kek fukin w…
Now we claiming I copied your work?… if I copied YOUR work? Why did you conclude resources for resources xbows do more dps than jans??? Oh, yea i took that statement out of centext, i really need you to explain how i did this…
This!! What you just now did, this is called cherrypicking buddy… my post didn’t negate your admission to jans being superior cav killers…
My post demonstrates jans were superior everything melee killers compared to xbows with only 1 exception? How did you plausibly miss that? Also, according to you i took your statement out of context… I’ma need you to help my smooth brain see where you made this exclusive xbow vs maa to jans vs maa in the post i completely quoted… in response to @HasanIchess …
Ah ha!!!I caught you!!
If i took your statement out of context, right? And you were exclusively comparing xbow vs maa to jans vs maa why are you now critiquing my analysis (opps your analysis bc i stole your work…) of jans vs light melee inf ?? Maybe this is justa tangent that popped into your head or something?
ORRRR you’re attempting to walk back the BUULLLLLsh##$$ you spewed out and trying to downplay the “technicalities” of jans having more dps/resource vs non maa melee units ??? " i mean it’s ONLY 5% dps/res and ALL THAT GOLD THOUGH? AND They’d ain’t got no range so how are they gonna deal with melee charge mechanics right???..
I’ma NEED you to show me how i cherry-picking your comments and took your claim out of context PLEASE!!
How about POP efficiency ? And jans being killed by only 2 hc shots ? While Hc can take 6 ! ! !
Man jans are absolute garbage unit to be relied at pro games.
But ppl at low ranks like gold silver etc can enjoy jans . In high ranks jans have no space in game.
And wont be there.
manual gunners are not either so the win rate will be balanced, no ranged unit has been buffed in other civilizations, because otherwise the meta forces them to spam them
I just wish that this Jannissary thing will be removed from ottoman arsenal xD Seriously .
Because some ppl like shneifdrer thinks that JANS are super powered OP perfect game breaker unit while the most others inc. aoe4 pros think that they are ABSOLUTE USELESS…
Just remove jans pls i beg of you …And give Ottos simple humble Hand Canneer with any random civ oriented bonus. Or just generic hand cannon and generic bombard that cost 600g instead of 900…It appears that everything that devs gave to ottos are absolutely weak in almost all situation…Let Great Bombard to be created by landmark only . And give Ottos simple humble generic units.
All we ask is reliable unit like HC ! … Nothing fragile as %%%% ! …
Whatever i said this shnerdier and his guyz are thinking that it would be op then pls give ottomans GENERIC HAND CANNONER with janissary skin . Then this will be ok. Jans ask for 100g and dies like they dont even exist. Its painfull.
Did you watched the pros lately? DeMuslim have started to mass jans as soon as they available in every game. Soon people might gonna call them OP.
Devs want jans to be usable from castle age and synergize with siege buff of the ottomans. You can’t spawn a buffed HC in castle age. Even in imperial age, players are rarely massing HC’s. So they decided to design a weaker unit with great utilities so you can see them in games more often.
Extra range damage to cavs is OP ability. Knights in most games trying to haras archers and siege units by repeatedly hit and run. Jans gonna make these harassments very costly.
People talking about using spears instead of jans, unlike spears, jans can give damage to front lines while staying at the back. And crossbows easily outrun by cavs when front line moves forward.
I really like jans as they were. Little nerfs or buffs might happen in the future, but design decision is perfect. I really don’t want a more expensive HC with plus a few damage that i can only use in imperial age and i can rarely mass.
I mean I thought for a moment you would prove me wrong and show how I cherry picked thru your post? Or refute at least 1 of the 2 billion arguments I levied against you… but alas, as usual, you have no substantive response to make smh.
But ppl of the forum let the record reflect AGAIN another post that demonstrates this dudes inaptitude, can’t even defend his own posts?
There is a pro by the name of Demuslim, he’s one of the qualfiers for Redbull Wololo? I don’t know if you’ve heard of him or not but there is a video just a few post up of him going main unit spahi and single archer range Jans??
Also there is this other guy name beasty something or another? I think he’s a pro player too, he might even have won N4C and some other big aoe4 tournys?? IDK, but that guy just today masses jans vs a conq 3 dude ranked 145th in the ladder?? So maybe the conq3 guy isn’t a complete slouch?
So what I really wanna understand is when you say
Is this including PPL like Demuslim and Beastyqt? Somehow, like your buddy Hale I anticipate you sidestepping from addressing this falsehood?
Do yourself a favor and go watch the rest of the match of that clip from beastyqt stream then tell me how USELESSSSSS the Jans appear to be when used correctly (vs mostly melee infantry )
well those are nice comprasions but crossbow has more range and will be 1 attack ahead now think 20 crossbow they will be 20 attack ahead so janissary definetly need their janissary gun tech at castle
and im thinking about strelets maybe we should compare janissary to their cost since they are unique unit too?
if we do the strelet math 130x160/180=115,5 health 42x160/180=37,3 at 1,75 attack speed it makes 30 attack damage a unique unit to unique unit and yes they do bonus to cav but they also take more damage from ranged so what you think people
yes i watch every unit counter something thats normal and im talking about imperial age janissary not the castle ones castle ones need a attack boost which is the janissary gun are you talking to me?
They are weak vs what? It’s becoming apparent you didn’t watch the beasty nor demuslim videos?? b/c AT least in both those videos the jans CLEAN THE FUK ## on melee units NOT just the cav??
no they didnt destroyed any melee units they struggle to clean in those videos they have superior number advantage demuslims video he has 3 times bigger army and still he was so close to defeat if the oppenent just played a bit better beasty didnt used janissary too much he only used them little bit at imperial age at castle age they need that attack tech
what are you thinking about my strelet comprasion? since they are a unique unit too
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