I’m pretty sure the wiki is wrong and their ROF is 1.2, not 1.25. So it should be 16.25, not 15.6.
Steppe Riders are only 15 base but are 30 with Mongolian Scourge. And they’re cheaper and faster units.
Hussars are only 15 damage per pop, but they’re also cheaper, faster, and can keep attacking at full strength for longer so they’re overall much better at raiding.
So everyone here clearly has been spamming these things into soldados and declaring them bad. Or are biased as all hell with these units. Lets sum this up pre PUP
-beat every single infantry en mass
-took less damage from anticav being a shock infantry
-could get more models into melee due to smaller space than cav, also means less models could melee them back
Past 1300 elo and especially teams eth mains spammed the ever loving shite out of them into everything and won most than not. Lets not even pretend they werent op. However out of the above in pup they might be overnerfed as
-shock inf take same damage
-only beat light infantry
-the op natives all paired with are toned down.
Rof slower so their tiny mass not as snowballing
So maybe all of this will wallop them too hard. I think reasnable or informed discussion would be better served seeing if they are overnerfed rather than gaslight the rest of the community that civs like russia, china, germans, native civs sans lakota, really any no age2 goon civ was at the mercy of ethopia due to these things. Now the question is did they hit it too hard.
I figured it might be a little bit too strong for Shotels to get both buffs in age 2. It would probably take some testing to know for sure.
I agree it would be too strong just that it is worth considering the low hp of the Gascenya in regards to building fire. Timing attacks would be pretty bad if they get one shot every 3 seconds so I like having that card if I’m doing an age 2 timing.
Yes because they only Nerf them no boost them in nothing, they can’t kill artillery, dont raid, bad vs cav is ussles
No they don’t. In melee it takes 9 seconds for a Musketeer to kill a Shotel but it takes 14.4 seconds for a Shotel to kill a Musketeer. Musketeers are also slightly cheaper. There’s probably some benefit to the faster attack speed when massed, but that’s not going to make up for taking ~60% longer to kill heavy infantry. Maybe they beat Ruskets or ones fighting in range, but most heavy infantry will at worst stalemate them.
Hope they boost them at last because shotel warrior Is only good in Mass
Cept in game you dont line up armys and fight 1v1 models
Shotels run around and mass and only take fights they can win. Forcing ethopia opponent to give up map to ball up infantry and if you push opponent forward or base the shotel mass cleans your reinforcements or raids with impunity, keeping you idle or locked out long enough where musk slight advantage is meaningless and they get outmassed and cleaned, with no ability to retreat due to slower speed. Then goons or musk cant do aqaut vs dervish or issa with micro. It was oppressive and took half the thinking or apm from ethopia player to click around with shotels
Its why all shock inf are getting hit a bit btw they all overperforming. Now ill agree this all might be too much nerfs at once but again, this was pretty much agreed to be op unit in teams and 1v1 at most levels past a certain elo.
Shotel warrior Is only good in Mass thats why clean all,like chimus only for the máss they are good the fac that Unit Cost one pop huss two pop Is only numbers shotel Is trash in low numbers same with chimu @platypus_slayer1
What do you think a civ with cow eco injections, big bad boi benny, and magic eco priests and 1 military building (often free) can do very very quickly in regards to making lots coin food costing units?
The eco from africana civs Is from the cows, that’s Is the base from His economy, abuns can recolec res, alittle bit More better thant vills, the barrack, Is no the problem here, they age up More slow, they always have less vills, i think the economy of africans Is only for the cows AND the age up alliance, the big benny Gets Nerf before was 900 res down to 650 res to 750 depends of the market prices AND the rax , México AND usa have the free rax too @platypus_slayer1
I dont see your point, your noting how their abuns plus cow base and shipments is pretty strong or on par with other civs which means a snowball unit like current stats shotel is infact abusable.
Chimu and coyote also getting addressed. Again, shock infantry were too massable, and needed nerf, which is what happened. Again thr majority of community across many elo and games modes all agree and even anyone whos watch a high elo match can see age2 goon was only viable answer to these, of which few civs have. And again the nerfs could be too much but thr current shotel is way overtuned. If you arent able to mass them then either you are doable something wrong or a unit like zambracks or bow rider is on you.
Lol so you prefer destroy a Unit, oki then deleted from the game, why dont you play aztecs,incas AND Etiopía AND seese what i am talking because you sound never play a nativ civ @platypus_slayer1
So in short you just cry and try and attack me since you got no ability to evaluate or understand the game. instead of being able to look at something and be honest
I play alot of inca, used to play azzies but just other stuff fwiw. Also long time haude and recently lakota.
I can also say civs like inca aztecs should get buffs at the same time noting their shock infantry was op. A civ stuck to 1 op unit (a la old lakota) is not a good design and should be fixed. Ethopia will be still a strong civ, sorry you cant monocomp and civ win but a strategy game should require more brainpower than spam 1 unit to win over 50% games. Again as ive said numerous times, all these nerfs to shotel may be too much but the unit was overperforming. If PuP goes through, You may have to do a musk huss combo and use your actually solid musk unit thats pretty fun to kite with. I know, how “terrible” to use micro and make 2x units from a rax. But youll adapt
lol i am no attack you dont know what are talking about
yes, the nerf of Shatel warrior is too strange. maybe dev wants to make them like a steppe rider instead of hussar.
Never like a hussar more like a lancer, a relatively weak one for its cost.
And the Devs are nerfing them? makes no sense.
Devs ar last give them a boost in some ways like Speed AND armor
700 influence is really cheap for 10 xbow (normal shipment in age 2 is 8 xbow or 700c), and the cost of 40f 40c is also really cheap for 1 xbow (40c is much easier to get than 40w, especially for a mining-oriented civ like Ethiopia with free mining Monasteries that buff miners). Ethiopian xbow also shadowtech into later ages.
on a small minor note, since the ethiopian xbow is the port consulate xbow, they are also becoming cheaper next patch since that is the royal guard bonus for them.
its like 30f 30c in the pup right now iirc