Mangonels broken

[Yellowaoe]

I wonder how much of an effect the split formation (if and when added) would have on nerfing mangonels.

[LINGLING2688]

in AoE ii it makes siege alot worse

[BlakeRevnant]

Man any formations would make me happy

[Shneider177]

I got a different idea for siege. Make bombards cost 100% more and keep all stats the same. Also make China’s siege created via the clock tower cost a percentage more associated with the increase in hp/power.

Only changes then I’d like are make ranges all standard. Besides Hp allow reload times to be adjusted rather than range.

[SugaryGraph1416]

@Shneider177

Make bombards cost 100% more and keep all stats the same

awful idea. You can not “balance” just by increasing prices. Rich will buy anyway, but poor people will struggle.

until you are a dev who wants to kill TGs completely.

examples:
Player A will get 30+ mangonels/bombards but a little bit slower. But in the end of the day, he wont loose mangonels/bombards, because they unkillable. Also player B wont be able to build counter bombards/mangonels, because he invested units in the army.

Or some one build Wonder, to kill it fast you need 1200 gold per bombard.
So, build wonder +walls, the opponent could do only 4-5 bombards, for same resources as wonder.

[Shneider177]

At lower level of play where players wait until they are max everything to fight sure, you’re right; it changes nothing;

but in mid- to pro level of play bombards won’t be spammable b/c you’ll never have 2k res/bombard worth of res to spam several bombards; at most you’d get 2-3 (6000 resources); and when 6000 resources can be counterd by 2500 resources (5 springalds), you’ll think twice about spaming 6000+ res vs enemies 2500 resources.

[SugaryGraph1416]

@Shneider177

At lower level of play where players wait until they are max everything to fight sure, you’re right; it changes nothing;

I think top1000-top2000 deserves some love.

You just make some army in early T4, and after add seige trying to stall game, in the end the transaction into siege will be slower but still worth it.

@Shneider177

when 6000 resources can be counterd by 2500 resources (5 springalds),

Bombards have +1 range. 10 bombards will wipe 4-6 springalds, while they coming.
And i’m talking about armies of bombards.

With current HP they unkillable, just repair and be fine.
1 hit == dead unit. 30-40 bomabrds will certainly do 3-4 free hits. It’s 100+ units are ded.

Certainly it will do some impact… but in general not too much.

When i’ve done 30 bombards, i lost 3-4 through the whole game (without pikes in the front).

[BlakeRevnant]

Yo just dropping by to say the siege conversation is getting some attention, and to streamline reading if you guys would take ideas over to this thread about siege and specifically bombards.

Sieges will be the most hated unit if Relic wont change its wrong concept

Sieges are not buildings like depicted in this game. It is operated by engineers and other personnel. On the battlefield, soldiers simply kill those siege operators and that would mean there is no need to burn the “trebuchet” for instance. It is so wrong that players already hate sieges in this game. As long as melee units throw torches, sieges will be the most hated and unbalanced unit in this game. Due to its enormously high HP, movement speed it operates just like a “Tank”. Sieges in med…

Dev SavageEmpire dropped a reply wanting to know our thoughts on siege

(Or if a mod would merge the three topics associated )

[Shneider177]

springalds already out range bombards and when u research the imperial upgrade they get another +1 (+2?) range over bombards.

Firstly you misunderstood what I said. I said at lower levels making bombard cost double would mean nothing since at lower levels they wait until 40min into the game after they get ALLLLLLLL the upgrades to fight.

HOWEVER in higher competitive matches players do NOT wait until they have max resources and max upgrades to fight WHICH MEANS they will seldom be able to afford 6000 resources for 3 bombards (ASSUMING THEY DOUBLE THE PRICE OF BOMBARDS FROM 1K RES TO 2K/EACH). Meanwhile EVEN IF someone can afford 6000 resources of bombards (3 bombards now…); the opposing player can hopefully afford just 2500 resources for springalds (5 springalds…5 springalds one shot a bombard, and they out range bombards).

So yes not only would it reduce the total number of bombards that could be afforded on the field at one time but also it would be extremely inefficient if one person wants to just spam bombards meanwhile the opponent can counter the bombard spam for LESS than HALF the cost of the bombards.

[Grimstuck]

If mangonel are broken just play them guys , all civ have mangonel and can use them …
If you want to play only inf or cav go play to chivalry medieval warfare