Just to add:
AOEII RoR:
- A couple of old campaings in the new format.
AoMR:
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One new mayor god wih his own mythical battle.
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A new game format
btw, the big reskin update came out a few days before the anniversary event. A perfect time to give it a spotlight, ya think? Instead, we got AoE3 cannon galleons.
Even WE knew they screwed up, which is why they opened a channel on the official Discord where we gave them suggestions and advice to improve things, as mentioned earlier in this thread.
Spoiler: things didnât get better.
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Rarely do players teach companies how to advertise their own games. And what are such players called?
TOXIC
WEâs horrible management and communication survive by fragmented information. If you just follow one or two media and one or two games, you think itâs fine. If you are enthusiastic enough to follow all of them for all games, you immediately spot the problem.
We have a great embodiment of that very symptom here.
The only good news is, though we still get the smallest end, it is visibly declining for all the other games too.
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Nobody is pointing to people. Itâs about how the game has been treated over time.
Itâs a product, and people have the right to demand what they want. Itâs like when you order a hamburger, and you can choose the toppings. If you donât like mustard, would you like to be forced to buy it? Of course not.
Now theyâre calling complaints and dissatisfaction âtoxic.â They should shut down the forums then.
Age of Empires 1 has literally merged with Age of Empires 2, and all the games continue to receive support. Best of all, theyâve never been disrespected or disparaged.
And itâs not that we donât care; itâs just that our favorite is Age of Empires 3.
In case you didnât know, WE started it, not the other way around.
Supply and demand. Theyâre products, and people can criticize them.
And I donât see the point in comparing it to herbicides. If weâre going to be 100% ethical and environmentalist, maybe we should feel guilty about using clothes or electronic devices. Everything pollutes in one way or another.
This was generally well-received. I donât know why youâre implying otherwise.
Almost no one complained about the art style and mechanics implemented in the game, with a few exceptions.
I rarely read things like this. The criticism is usually directed at the poor management and indifference towards AOE-3, which is treated exclusively for some reason.
I think heâs referring to the rework done in civilizations throughout history the game in general. The vast majority were happy about that.
Wait a minute, following your own logic, youâre being toxic, and youâre causing depression among WE employees.
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Yes, I remember that the ships had a lot of their aesthetics and animations removed for reasons I donât understand. For example, the crosses they usually have on their sails were eliminated, and the sail-folding/unfolding animation when switching from moving to stationary mode was removed entirely.
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Never said you should be happy, I said you shouldnât be toxic of feel entitled to things.
If AoE2DE gets something because of having a lot more players, you get jealous and complain.
If AoMR gets something despite having less players, it is suddenly an argument getting patches?
Also we donât even know if AoMR will ever get more DLC then were originally part of the Premium Edition. If not then it got less support then AoE3DE.
I think itâs not unlikely that they will simply move the team over to AoE5 now.
The black sheep? Now what would an Age of Empires Online fan think about that.
Itâs practically both patch notes. When the patch released the just linked to the sneak peek instead of posting the changes again. It was just a preview patch notes.
Something they only ever done once for AoE2DE.
Oh you insult Worlds Edge and Microsoft instead of Forgotten Empire, wow such a big difference.
There isnât a single billionaire working at Worlds Edge, maybe not even a millionaire (though with the current housing prices you become a millionaire relatively quickly by simply owning a house).
And of course there are Billionaires at Microsoft but they are busy burning money with AI, they donât decide over Age of Empires.
The developers provide the screenshots. You think Worlds Edge refused to add screenshots to the AoE3 article to make the game look worse or what?
Yeah but thatâs what they usually just do for AoE2 too.
You are looking for the smallest hints that imply that Worlds Edge always âhatedâ AoE3 to prove your point.
I defend them because they made an awesome game. I spend hundreds of hours in AoE3DE and I had a lot of fun with it.
Am I supposed to hate them and be angry at them because I didnât get even more?
I buy things if I think they are worth it. I didnât by the Explorer packs because they didnât give me enough value for their price. I donât blindly buy things to âsupportâ the devs like other people do.
I did not pay anything for the cancelled DLC so they never stole anything from me.
Of course Iâm sad about it but thatâs just something you have to accept in live. Not everything that is announced will release.
If I would post my opinion on rich people I would probably get banned.
Oh right, I forgot that.
That was on release so that doesnât count.
I forgot that too.
But I also forgot the Historical Maps that were added to AoE3DE, also a new format. Unfortunately one that they have never done anything with since, not even in other games of the franchise.
I waited for that to come up. This one minor mix up of words from some random person was surely very traumatising for the AoE3 community.
The RoR part of the game hasnât gotten any balance patches or anything in ages. They only get engine upgraded automatically because itâs in the same game.
This is so much confirmation bias. You assume Worlds Edge hates AoE3 and therefore showing a photo with AoE1/2/4 framed in the background must mean they hate AoE3? Strange that no one said they hate AoM because of that.
Also strange no one said they hate AoM when it didnât appear in Tournaments (that were not organized by Worlds Edge btw.)
But yeah they said âCannon Galleonâ once, they most hate AoE3!
So because we canât be 100% ethical we shouldnât be ethical at all and focus all out hate towards the games industry?
By boycotting some awful companies you still help the world more then by boycotting none of them.
Unfortunately you canât really boycott Monsanto unless you are a farmer.
I have read developers being called âlazyâ pretty often.
I called the names stupid not the one who decided on them.
MANAGEMENT of Worldâs Edge and Microsoft
MANAGEMENT
MANAGE-MENT
The noun form of the verb âmanageâ
What I wrote was âbuy the LOGICâ
Which means to believe, accept, or be convinced by, something abstract
Not the product
Yeah, sure. It was Hatsune Miku who raised Xbox Game Pass prices, closed studios and pushed PS5 portings. And that result definitely did NOT impact any of their other studios. In the meantime the dEvElOpERs also had full autonomy in making those decisions. What an ideal workspace.
I want to remind you the more you bicker into this spiral of arguments, the more you are going to direct the blame to the fictional collection of âdeveloperSâ you are white-knighting for, which none of us here intend to.
We are protecting the rest of them by blaming one or two communicators or managers. Think about it.
At this point you have completely given up reading and fully dedicated to picking fight on some petty arguments on a small forum, rather than providing anything useful.
Thatâs the exact same psychology as some certain moderator who played the misunderstood prophet and then locked this thread fearing disagreements. If you are so righteous and noble, why do you easily ignite when a few more people disagree with you?
You donât come to discuss. You come to feel victorious. Thatâs peak toxicity
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You are so obsessed with your delusion of justice. You label anyone who disagrees with you as some âWE hates AOE3â folk youâll have to crusade against.
I provide those BIGGEST things to make a neutral, judgmental, and apparently not emotional point:
Worldâs Edge does not know how to monetize or advertise this game in their own portfolio and they donât care
Which is by all means their fault.
And itâs not once. Itâs a hundred times. Do you think some developer forced their host to skip AOE3 only to be reminded by the Louvre staff?
If they had thought as hard as any one of the players who ever posted in one online community, it wouldnât happen.
Which, of course, means some people, not all of them, must be:
Also, since you mentioned some Asian gatcha companies, let me tell you this:
WE dreams of being one of such companies with a flock of loyal brainless âmodel consumersâ they can infinitely milk on.
However, their leadership has only the ambition, but not the PR skills or significant market budgets, to effectively gaslight their players into guilty or loyalty buying. That mismatch between goal and capability caused the failure of their attempts. If the players were not âtoxicâ by your standards and didnât push back, theyâll go further down that path.
So have a better plan next time.
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there was plenty of content made, good content, only hampered by poor marketing imo, ofc the issue exists on both sides, i do see some of what rifleman is saying, but iâve had enough experience across the board to see it wasnât us who necessarily started the feud
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If they sensed the problem with communication and marketing which constantly kills any goodwill from both sides, yet donât do anything about it and let misunderstandings rot, it means they donât care, so nor should we.
If they do not know at all and allow it to drain their profits, itâs their own wrongdoing. We donât run the business for them. Yet we already provided them endless suggestions for free, and they are not going to share a cent with us if they do better.
Either case, completely their responsibility.
In the past, we didnât have to point that out. We wanted to maintain some decency. Yet since they had continued to deny their responsibilities and gaslight the consumers with their PR language and shill army, we donât need that decency anymore either.
Spoiler: it has gone worse on all games including their most beloved.
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Itâs a very interesting perspective with a tragically obvious outcome.
Reasonable, thoughtful, respectful people wouldnât shout at someone for sharing their opinions.
If the issues OP outlined werenât happening then we wouldnât have such significant negative energy in every forum.
There are many ways to critique or identify flaws/issues without resorting to destructive language. I hope one day all people realize the relationship between fans, as well as audience and artist, is founded on a mutual respect that demands accountability for ones own actions.
Sadly, when some of our community members lash out it paints the whole space as hostile. It takes time to rehabilitate the communities image, which is critical to the series being seen as worth supporting.
Thank you for taking time to write something personal and authentic. It means a lot, even to the other AOE community spaces.
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Accountability meaning the mod can lock his own thread to shut down discussion and face no consequences, and the users risk being banned for merely pointing that out.
Yes. They deny reality, ignore counter arguments and close their own threads so no one can argue.
And gallantly run away when things didnât go in their favor.
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When being nice is controversial lol
As a community, we deserve better things. That includes having a space without embittered rivalries on display. That was central to OPs point, and I think heâs right.
Fighting on the forums turns newcomers away, makes the fanbase harder to take feedback from, and ultimately kills the energy that makes this place awesome.
Iâll peace out. I read every forum but have avoided this one in particular because it gets super nasty everytime people start fighting.
Sorry for disturbing this space.
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This very person you are simping LOCKED HIS OWN THREAD IMMEDIATELY to be nice
Why are you guys always on constant reality denial and selective truth?
Next time someone sends you a phishing email, remember to be nice to them.
Like without a MOD LOCKING HIS OWN THREAD maybe?
Your nice darling company Worldâs Edge stopped responding to any bug reports since two years ago. So yeah itâs definitely important to them.
Here is the thing I agree with: if there is this one person who never engages in the discussion of the game itself, but always show up immediately to protecc some corporate greed, then the community should put away all disagreements, unite and throw him out of the window
Oh, btw, the nice company Worldâs Edge sold a community made free mod pack with little additional polish work, reused assets and bare minimum voice acting at a standard DLC price called V&V
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FYI, here is something more worth proteccing:
Stupid variants and stupid names. WE will be heartbroken
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To be fair, the toxicity comes mostly from people who have associations with the AoE 3 community trashing AoE IV. Itâs how you know me, and why Iâm the person youâve replied to mostâŠ
Really though, itâs hard to leave when you reply so often to me, even to go so far as mocking me for leaving! You make a liar out of me haha
My intent was to share appreciation and now Iâve fallen into the trap of trying to be pleasant with a bully. Zounds!
African civilization isnât really beginner-friendly. Who is going to learn it for the first time? They really donât bother to rework it. Plus, the Ottoman Empire is still strong; they donât bother to nerf it. There are many bugs and issues, and they donât bother to fix them. Lastly, there are many outdated designs, texts, and online content that they donât bother to update.
AoE3DE still has issues, but itâs fun. Itâs tough for newbies, though.
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Just to expose some peopleâs blatant lies that âwe didnât appreciate what we gotâ
We had been very specifically targeting their abhorrent marketing and communication that made all those great work go to waste.
And even for those parts, people had been very appreciative when they do good jobs.
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Wasnât that the whole idea?
Itâs hard to believe they donât hate him, but we can say they neither like nor respect him.
Furthermore, the wall is supposed to display the emblems of the main games in the series, not including spin-offs. Itâs obvious that Age of Mythology wouldnât appear, especially since its remake hadnât even been released yet.
The subliminal message is very easy to understand. Age of Empires III isnât a main game in the series.
Some are doing it. They promised not to buy WE brand products.
Itâs simply ignorance on the part of some, because thatâs the word usually used to refer to the people in charge of the game. Itâs not that they hate the 3D artists and programmers (there are some, but theyâre a tiny minority). You hear that in almost every game forum. The developers are just doing what theyâre told.
Besides, weâre usually grateful to Tantalus and Forgotten Empires. Theyâve done a lot of good things for the game and the series in general.
Which indirectly involves people. Someone had to do something stupid.
Besides, whatâs the difference when we say a company makes stupid decisions? Are we attacking someone in particular?
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Well obviously you cannot do either
It would be confirmation bias if there is ANY counter-example, such as AOE3 is highlighted if not skipped in a whole franchise event, promotional image or marketing.
There simply isnât any. And those men of justice wonât bother to find out but immediately accuse us for something else again.
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