Nerf a japon

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@Musketeer2202

it is the dumbest civ in this entire game and it will never be nerfed by the Devs.

Why would it never be nerfed by dev if it is that strong ? They should try to nerf every OP civ…

@Musketeer2202

you lose, every single time the game is like this

If you lose every single ranked game against japan, it is on you, the japanese main should gain ELO and face better player they will have 50% of chances to win, right ?

I don’t play much japan or british so don’t know what you’d be doing wrong. Your strategy sounds fine…

@StatelyPlayer64

1: Se entendio mal mi comentario dije y expresamente "Un santuario por si solo recolecta 0,23 recursos y con una carta, NO, con el consulado portugues, que mejora su recolección de recursos un 25 o 50% y reduce el costo de estos, me referia a la carta de edad 1 que tienen (pero te pusiste una trampa solo por que también confirmaste que los portugueses reducen el coste de oro)

Cannot reply because the translator is bad

@StatelyPlayer64

Si, los japoneses pueden recolectar más rapido de las bayas (los cerezales se recolectan a la velocidad de la caza y eso desde el TAD) y no, los portugueses solo recolectan un 5% más rapido de la caza y no de las bayas y esto se debe a que ellos tienen que mantener un boom constante, los indios deben tener esas mejoras gratis ya que sus aldeanos valen madera y es el recurso más valioso del juego y tu mismo lo dijiste, los holandeses es lo mismo ya que sus aldenos literalmente valen monedas, el oro para los holandeses es como el comer!

Translation is bad too, it is hard to understand.

• I checked ingame yesterday, japanese berry gather rate is nit higher than other civ.
• I listed other civs not to say they are OP, but because they are the only civs I know with gather bonus
• thanks to bank dutch military do not feel to intensive on gold, at least not as much as germans

@StatelyPlayer64

5000 de comida no es tanto?!

5000f by itself is a lot. It is not much when considering it is all you have on the map before switching to rice paddies. And if rice paddies are that good that early, then india and china would be problematic civs just like japan. I do think these 3 civs are strong in supremacy, but if we got 7 OP civs, these civs are not OP anymore.

@StatelyPlayer64

Tu edit esta mal: Ya que las bayas de cerezal son más rapidas y ellos tienen 2 mejoras para recoletar más rapido.

Start a game with Japan and look at the gather rate of berries foragers. you will see 0.67. I can make a screenshot if you want. It would be definite proof as there is no way to decrease gather rates (exceot for portuguese).

@StatelyPlayer64

The Dutch destroy the houses and barracks and it will be of no use to have the banks alive if you can not make troops

Same for Japan and every civ. Destroy military buildings and the opponent cannot make military (bad translator again ?)

@StatelyPlayer64

Literally, the Japanese can ally with the Dutch and have a corral to make farm animals and strengthen their economy (on top of that they have dojos that make troops for free)

Yeah, Dutch consulate is very strong with a bank and the livestock pen. Japan can also increase shrine gather rate by 300% or so, to compensate for not having factories. Both in age 4 though, by that time supremacy games should be more or less decided.

@StatelyPlayer64

You forget that the Dutch requires to use 4 cards from their deck (5 if you use the company’s) to have the maximum efficiency of banks in the late game 2 of first age one of second and fourth and the sanctuaries only require 1.

You dont need max efficiency in supremacy. The church card and the age 4 card are often enough, you get 7 banks. In age 3, the 22 Japanese shrines are worth ~9.5 c/s, which is like 3.5 banks.

It only gets tricky in age 4, as the shrines give ~16.5c/s to the japan player. You have to spend 2 cards for factories, while being down 20 to 25 villagers. 22 shrines with 4 deers are like 6 banks (5 with tulip speculation card, but you can skip it if you need space in you deck). 2 upgraded factories + 1 bank (out of 7) you get 17.25c/s, which is similar to the 20 to 25 extra villagers the japanese player has. And you only used 1 more card: II) church + IV) 2 factories vs I)heavenly kami + II) orchid berries, and you didnt spend 2000f to 2500f to train 20 to 25 villagers (to balance for sending one card less)

So yeah, japan eco is very strong mid to late game, and is clearly a strong civ (along with other civs like india, china, british, and the flavors of the moments) but you do not have to use every eco card to match it. If you use more card, it us because you want a nore late gane deck and neglect the mid game cards. And this is when looking at dutch, who are usually rated below average on tier lists.

And again: you should not send the company’s card, it is not good enough.

I think the shrines are not the only think making japan strong. Military is very strong as well.

@StatelyPlayer64

encima tienen dojos que hacen tropas gratis)

I don’t know much about these 2 cards. Whenever I try to make a japan deck, I end up not picking them, as I rather take army/military upgrades/crates. So I really don’t know how good they are in supremacy.

Anyways, I will leave this topic because:

• it is very hard to get what you mean from the translator
• it sound more like a rant than a theorycrafting about possible balance changes
• in the end I do not really care whether or not japan get a nerf. I rarely play with them or againat them. I was only interested why suddently people talk about japan being OP, which wasnt the case recently (ex july 2022: Let's discuss the civ strength rankings and november 2021: Current civ tier list - ESOCommunity)