Sanada clan was not at the Sekigahara. But sure that the Battle of Sekigahara could be a great single historical campaign.
The Siege of Osaka could be the exception in the Aoe2 since the style of Japanese warfare wasn’t different in this 15 years. But adding this scenario will complete a great story. AoE1 overlaps with AoE2 too so it is not a problem that AoE2 overlaps with AoE3. For me, the Siege of Osaka will be the dividing line between the Japanese civ of AoE2 and the Japanese civ of AoE3. After this battle the Japanese civ of AoE2 is end.
I am tired of the traditional narratives of kings and military leaders. They just win, win and win, lacking some subtle human emotions, loves and regrets so I support the story of Sanada for its fully bond of family and brotherhood and also the strategy in battles and politics. The campaign of Bari and Jadwiga as well as the Black family actually are good stories breaking out of the framework, the reasons people feeling disappointed at the latter are that it is fabricated and does not use any regular civ of the game.
The story is always told from the perspective of traditional military winners, hegemons and strong powers, which makes it flat and shallow easily, lacking enough dramatic twists, satire and moving. In addition to getting basic fun from the gameplaying, players can’t get too much touch from the text. Not deep in immersion.
In my opinion, after playing the campaigns of Attila, Timur and Southeast Asia, I basically didn’t get some different feelings. But in the campaign of Jadwiga and Bari, you can feel the missing between husband and wife and the will of the family.
Yes,but Sekigahara is already in aoe 3…I doubt they will do a demake for aoe 2 DE…that’s why I say that my Hideyoshi campaign is more successful,since it serves as a link with Tokugawa and Sekigahara…as the final cinematic of Hideyoshi’s campaign could say: “Hideyoshi closed his eyes forever,while his subordinates fought for the power he left empty,but one of them,Tokugawa Ieyasu,defeated them one by one and after his victory at Sekigahara in October of 1600,became the only unifier of Japan,thus initiating the Tokugawa Shogunate in 1603,which would rule Japan for three and a half centuries…”
Yes,in fact there is no campaign (which does not historical battle) in the sixth or seventh century,it would be interesting to touch well those two centuries between the fall of Rome and the rise of Islam…
For me it would be Sekigahara,since after this,a new period in the history of Japan begins,which is the Tokugawa Shogunate…besides in fact aoe 2 already overlaps over aoe 3 from the campaign of Jan Zizka (1405-1424) to the campaign of Bayinnaung (1538-1580)…
Given the tech level available in AOE3 the Japanese campaign could have been about the Meiji restauration and the Boshin War. Like in The Last Samurai and in Shogun II Fall of the Samurai.
I must be such a normie, I unknowlingly voted for the top three civs in the poll and I actually considered voting for the 4th instead of the 3rd xD
I wish all civs had a proper campaign, but Chinese really feel underrepresented when you consider their importance in this time period. I would especially like a Zhu Yuanzhang campaign, although the dev team may not like this as it would probably mean removing Lake Poyang for the historic battles to put it in the campaign (altough to be honest, way to many of those battles should be part of full campaigns). It could come together with an East Asian dlc, with Jurchen and maybe Siamese/Thai civs.
What about Kotyan Khan? You play a war leader, but rather than winning by destroying your enemies you win by renouncing your lands and helping your people flee against an unstoppable force, which you played as in Gengis Khan. In top of that, the leader you played as is betrayed before making it to the end.
Not wanting another grand conquest campaign would then give points to Heraclius for a Byzantine campaign. The Empire is on its last leg after the terrible reign of Phocas and you control its last standing army to snatch a white peace from the jaws of defeat. Only to lose what has been recovered when an unexpected enemy strikes.
But in the end, the Empire survived for centuries. Ave Scipio !
How about a historical campaign that the Koreans defeated the Chinese?
Btw, my pick of the Korean scenario campaign is Kim Yu-sin, the famous Hwarang and the great general who unified the Korea under the Silla. In his campaign, you would have to fight against the Goguryeo, Baekje supported by Japanese and Tang for the Queen Seondeok. In the popular Korean TV drama, Kim and the Queen are described having the romance between them. Also, his ally Chinese general Su Ding-fang is already a hero unit in the game.
Not bad. The contrast between the first and second scenarios is impressive. It is also quite interesting to present the destiny of the Cumans as the decision in the final.
Since we lack some important civs like the Gokturks, Sogdians, Tibetans (Tanguts), Khitans and Jurchens, it is hard to present the history of Tang and Song.
I actually suggest some people about 2 years ago.
If we could gain the Khitans and Jurchens in the future, I would strongly recommend Yue Fei.
The story would be told by an old Jurchen military leader and the listener is a young Chinese soldier the army of the Jin Dynasty. The time is the eve of the decisive battle against Mongols.
In the 1st scenario basing on the Jingkang incident, the player have to lead the army of Northern Song, deciding to ally the Jin of Jurchen and eliminate the Liao of Khitan, or to keep suppling Liao to delay the offensive from Jin. At the end of this scenario, the unstoppable Jurchen late imperial army will cross the great wall and crush the bases. The player’s goal is making sure 100 villagers retreat safely to a designated location in the south. The Mongols may also be an AI player as a small tribes obeying Liao and fighting Jin, then obeying Jin and fighting the player after Liao resigns.
The 2nd ~ 5th scenario could fit the 4 northern expeditions led by Yue Fei, especially the Battle of Yancheng. The player have to command Yue Fei’s army to regain the country’s lost land, rescue allies and besiege Jurchens’ city.
The Chinese emperor obtained the peace he longed for after Yue Fei’s tragedy, but the rise of the Mongols decades later seemed like history repeating itself. The last scenario would not use Chinese civ as before. The player this time command the army of the Jin Dynasty, use the Jurchen tech tree having the cheaper techs, Chu Ko Nu, rocketry and great wall specially, and face the army of Genghis Khan. There would be two allies. Koreans could provide trade opportunities but cannot bring more help, while Southern Song promised to support but their attitude is quite negative. hoping they will not repeat the same mistakes again…
Tbh I would love a Dou Jiande or Taizong of Tang campaign (mostly because I really want more early medieval campaigns), even if all you face is Chinese enemies
Also, a Jurchen campaign would be cool. Imo theres three options: Nianhan (the general of the first two Emperors, but maybe you could just use Aguda instead), Aizong (the emperor that had multiple victories against the mongols before being ultimately overrun) and Nurhaci (very late campaign, but it has the more material for it)
That would need the Gokturks, Sogdians and Tibetans.
My idea is a historical campaign about An Lushan Rebellion.
Prince Li Heng (Chinese) swears regaining the country land back and wiping the rebels out.
The main objective is to defeat 2 opponents located in the northeast, An Lushan (Chinese) and Shi Siming (Chinese). Their allies, Gokturks (Gokturks) and Sogdians (Sogdians) have several spawning points, keeping helping An and Shi and raiding the player’s base located in the southwest.
There are 3 secondary objectives.
To liberate the capital Chang’an located in the central west from An’s troops to the ally Tang (Chinese). Tang would train the troops and join the battle after it regain this biggest city on the world.
To protect the 3 TCs of Tang located in the south and southeast. Tang would regularly contribute the resources if its villagers can keep working. This one would be tough.
To choose the help between 2 allies, Uyghurs (Tatars) located in the northwest or Abbasids (Saracens). Pay 2000 gold to Uyghurs for gaining the Silk Armor, Parthian Tactics and Hussar upgrade, then Uyghurs would train some Keshiks, steppe lancers and cavalry archers to join the battle too. Or, defeat Uyghurs to gain Zealotry, trading fee down to 5% and regular contributions from Abbasids.
My idea is a historical campaign though.
The player would lead the Jurchen tribes located in the central of the map, must decide to be allied with either Liao (Khitans) located in the west or Goryeo (Koreans) located in the east within 1 minute. After making the decision, the ally would contribute a plenty of resources to the player for starting the game.
The main objective is to destroy the wonder of Liao if allied with Goryeo or the wonder of Goryeo if allied with Liao. If not allied with anyone, the player have to face both of them as opponents and to destroy the wonders of them alone. But the Jurchen pirates (Jurchen) would become the ally automatically and give the resources.
The secondary objective is about the Jurchen pirates.
If allied with Liao, the player could also be allied with the pirates and pay 500 gold to it in exchange for sending raiders to Goryeo, or destroy its 2 bases located in the north and south to defeat it and grab its resources.
If allied with Goryeo, the player could only choose to defeat it and grab the resources. But Goryeo and the Japanese would give the player extra resources and techs to express their gratitude.
If fighting alone, the player could only choose to be allied with it but it would automatically fight against Goryeo and Liao as long as it does not resign.
