New Civ Recommendations In Case Of Future Expansions (WIP list)

[Chekardhar]

Im gonna work on rajputs, im not going to work on the Tamil campaign just yet

[Chekardhar]

added rajputs! (see top post)

[HavocKraken49]

Just says coming soon

[Chekardhar]

not anymore! that was a 10 minute place holder, that has now gone to the Sinhalese
oh and please also tell me if Rajputs are OP (i removed guilds for that reason) as they come off as strong to me

[HavocKraken49]

Ok I have read your Rajput civ and here are my 2 cents.

• Change rajput warrior name to kshatriya (I assume you know that means warrior) I think “Elite rajput warrior” sounds a bit too much

• Have the current kshatriya technology be a part of the base unit (not a tech)

• Change the Imp tech to Kila (Means fort) and have it buff castles somehow. (I can help think of ideas if you want)

• The villager pop space thing sounds a bit complicated to implement, so I would change that to a eco bonus.

• Otherwise the civ sounds well thought out, I just don’t like having a unit ability locked behind a tech.

[Chekardhar]

@HavocKraken49

Change rajput warrior name to kshatriya (I assume you know that means warrior) I think “Elite rajput warrior” sounds a bit too much

that makes sense, we could also call it pata and change the UT to Kila, which could make castles stronger, or have more attack, maybe make them fire more arrows, i always loved seeing arrow showers, fire more arrows it is!

@HavocKraken49

Have the current kshatriya technology be a part of the base unit (not a tech)

that automatically means villager spamming plus gold equals army in castle age, i made them like magyar huszars, based off of a generic unit, can turn into a trash unit, has a twist that makes them a bit better than the generic unit, i feel it is the only way to balance that unit, but we can save the Kila unique tech for later… i hope you understand what i mean

@HavocKraken49

The villager pop space thing sounds a bit complicated to implement, so I would change that to a eco bonus.

i tried to parallel what the indians currently have going on with easy to mass vills, and i can;t think of an eco bonus that’s not taken, ill try this instead “have 5 population space that is always free, even when your town center. houses, and castles are gone”

anyways, thanks for your feedback, and i could see where you were going, but i hope you understand why im keeping the UT for balance

[Chekardhar]

updated Tamil blacksmith for better skirmishers, they now have full archer upgrades, i hope it doesn’t make the civ too op!
i also nerfed rajput monks, they were not supposed to be able to monk rush so i took out block printing and illumination, some key conversion technologies
on the topic of monks should i give tamils block printing? (that results in a full monastary)
feedback on these small “patches” are welcome and recommended!

[HavocKraken49]

I had an another idea for that eco bonus. How about “economic buildings” ( market, blacksmith, monasteries) provide 5 population space. Similar to the slav bonus

[EvilLordMrF]

Mining camps and lumberjacks too?

[HavocKraken49]

That might make them overpowered

[Chekardhar]

ill consider that for a native american civ, good idea though

@EvilLordMrF

Mining camps and lumberjacks too?

maybe if less pop space was given

[Chekardhar]

gave tamils block printing

[Chekardhar]

by the way i updated rajput castles, the image should now say pata for their uu
changed their castle tech to kila too

unswapped tamil UT’s the imp one used to be in castle and vise versa

i finished Sinhalese, but im not adding it in just yet

i also changed the Rajput Kila tech
feedback about my changes are welcome!

[Chekardhar]

finished Sinhalese

some quick questions

Read the Sinhalese section before reading this, or the impression might last
also looking back at the Sinhalese they seem a bit similar to the Tamils, what do you think? (they used to be classified as elephant and infantry, i changed the Sinhalese to just infantry to nullify theeffect that has)
also please tell me if they are under/overpowered

[Mahazona]

Sinhaleese tech tree seems fine but I dont know much about balancing and viability.Some things like making trade carts generate other resources or rerelics generating all types of resources might not be possible to add.
The Nilame uu should look like this.he is a nobel so would be wearing the finest cloths and armor.

If you plan to use ingame assets just use the malay hero unit with the sword for nilame sunda spearman for the sinhaleese spearman(you can call them laskarins) and the sanchi for the wonder.

[Chekardhar]

@Mahazona

Some things like making trade carts generate other resources or rerelics generating all types of resources might not be possible to add.

k, do you have any suggestions on that matter?

@Mahazona

The Nilame uu should look like this.he is a nobel so would be wearing the finest cloths and armor.

i was just using the example @StereoQuasar163 gave
does the AoE3 Gurkha work for the place holder icon?

[Chekardhar]

should i give crop rotation to them?

[Chekardhar]

it turns out i already changed Tamils to have block printing, what are your thoughts on the full monastery?

also i would like to point out that things are taking longer since with all the clutter i have to do things like copy pasting into word-pad and back, which means they take longer

[Mahazona]

That would work as a placeholder icon.

[Chekardhar]

thanks for your feedback

@Ongarelli173

Mughals are really more Age of Empires III era, even with Babur being available in the scenario editor. The current Indians mostly seem based on the Delhi Sultanate, so maybe they could be the Delhi civilization instead?

lion and sun in the UI as well as ? gunpowder and camel have led me to believe they were Mughals, i will change it to add “or Delhi Sultanate”

@Ongarelli173

My biggest issue with the Tamils is that if they have an archer bonus, they should at least have access to the Crossbowman

i wanted to make their archers a feudal age only thing, making it your most viable feudal age unit, the bonus could also apply to chariots, is that enough of a reason or should i add crossbow?

@Ongarelli173

The Urumi looks extremely similar to the Ethiopian Shotel, except that it’s a team unit. I think it should be distinguished a little further

i tried to change it a bit, do you have suggestion that keeps that karambit anti-infantry theme of the unit?

@Ongarelli173

They have no economy bonus except a minor buffer to those who get housed a lot

this is supposed to mimic the current indian’s early game bonus, to allow them to mass up villagers more easily

@Ongarelli173

Automatic Cavaliers isn’t enough to sustain a strong early Imperial Age, considering the civilization not only lacks Paladins, but Blast Furnace, as well; the Cavalier upgrade isn’t that expensive in the first place

how about free paladin upgrade when you get cavalier?

@Ongarelli173

The civilization also appears downright unplayable during trash wars, lacking Elite Skirmishers, Hussars, Ring Archer Armor, Plate Mail Armor, and even Two-Handed Swordsmen.

Pata swarms are supposed to be their only answer to that, should i change it? the lack of skirms is to suggest cavalry against archers

@Ongarelli173

unless their Elephants are so good at destroying buildings that they put the Burmese to shame.

oh, i forgot about the Burmese, the rajput elephants are supposed to replace rams, i could give them rams and change the bonus

@Ongarelli173

My suggestions for buffing the Rajputs would be to flesh out their housing bonus further, give them all blacksmith upgrades, and at least let them produce Elite Skirmishers; they’d at least have a strong Archery Range to compliment their Elephants, then.

how about 20 free pop for their house bonus, the other ideas you have are reasonable and i will change the civ soon

@Ongarelli173

The Sinhalese Relic and Trade Cart upgrades sound far more disadvantageous than beneficial. Usually, the only reason you would need Relics or Trade Carts is so you have an infinite supply of gold; there’s more than enough food and wood otherwise available that those are unnecessary. A more sensible bonus would be for the Relics to produce both gold and stone, without being slower, and for Trade Carts to have the option of generating stone.

for the relics how about fod instead of stone so their are no castle spammers
same with trade carts, i mean it’s called “spice” trade

@Ongarelli173

food-carrying

this is supposed to help fisherman far from docks, i want them to have good fishermen because of stilt fishing, however would adding a bonus like this work? town center has extra LOS

@Ongarelli173

As it stands now, it seems like the Nilame should be a super-powerful trash unit like the Magyar Huszar to compensate for the civ’s poor trash units,

Nilame were nobles, so that’s why i wanted to have them cost gold, i can add light cavalry though, but, in trash wars you want to rely on infantry, how does that sound?

@Ongarelli173

but considering how powerful the Flail Elephant looks, it seems like they should be the ones to have it instead of the Tamils.

that’s what i want to, but the Chariot is controversial and this seems to be the “one size fits all” indian civs unit

anyways, thanks for the feedback, but could you clarify a few things?