With Indonesian civ I am talking about from all those islands. So Brunei, Majahapit etc.
The thing is, that I prefer every continent nations etc, before moving to smaller kingdoms etc near others. I dont want Europeans anymore because we still are missing some parts of Southern Africa and Northern. After we have civs from about every area I wouldnt mind going into the lesser civs.
Majahapit is already dead- heck you can see that by looking at what majority Indonesian religion was for the time- most Indonesian people were Muslims while Majahapit was hindu kingdom.
Indonesia during colonial era was made up of smaller sultanate that were NOT united. unlike Korea peninsula which was united and remain untied until Japanese occupation.
Dude, Korean kingdom was more advanced then half of the civs already present in the game.
If itâs about history (and this game for sure is about history) u have to include all relevant civs, and just after the less advanced ones. History is about events and important battles and wars. There are few wars bigger then the Imjin war that were fought at that time. If u want to include civs that were involed in no big events, why dont u include all the Europeans first?? P.s. Why the Vallachians are not in the game? since they managed to stop alone the entire Otoman empire, saving Europe, after all the other european nations united failed to win vs Otomans. Ofc u must been heard about Vlad the impaler (Dracula as some ignorant westerners know him) or Stefan the Great (that was named by the Pope himself: The athlete of God).
Historical games are about events, not about civs.
history is about a lot of other things like culture, development and societal movements. in fact litterally everything humans have done and then written down is history.
Korea has 1 war, that they didnât perform particularly well in, and then what? several 100 years of vassalage to the Chinese.
i have never heard someone with such a distorted view on history before.
first of all Vlad died in 1477, therefor out of the periode.
second of all Europe didnât unite to fight the Ottomans, it was local rulers usually in the border territories that fought them, which is why resistance first got really serious when they reached the borders of the HRE and Poland since those nations where large and capable of fighting the ottomans relatively easily compared to the smaller kingdoms that resisted before.
Also some European factions are wanted, they just happen to 1) exist in the periode 2) be relevant.
what makes you think that.
1.Talking here about historical games not about history in general. But u didnt get the ideea apparently (Even if it is a aoe3 forum LOL) 
2.I never heard a guy like u with no academic historical knowledge saying to me a historian that I have a distorted view on history (I presume u talk about eastern European events that I specified) =))
U are just hillarious.
U really have no idea about history since u never heard about the crusades against ottoman empire, dude why u even play historical games at all? xD Go and read about the crusade of Varna or the Battle of Nicopolis and many many other, dont waste our time, u have a lot to learn to sit on the table with us, please.
3. All of this was just an example, for the sake of that guy understanding, not to include it in the period, If u read the comment again, maybe u will get it.
The importance of Korea at 1600 is big and had an impact on history, as they stopped the Japanese (that were the most powerful military power at that time on the entire globe - as specialists proved with evidences based on combat experience accumulated in hundreds of years and generations grown in battle, combined with the improved matchlock that they had and was the tip of tech at that time and few other reasons).
If they were not stopping the Japanese in the Imjin war, today Japan was nr1 power of the world and not US, as an empire, having all China and Korea as own territory and resources.
So that is an event that heavily impacted history.
Tell what events in Indonesia heavily impacted the world history?
i have an academic historical education, it says so in my bio. the fact you cant even draw a relevant reference makes you not look like an historian tho.
you mentions vlad the impaler, so yes.
you can use you instead of U.
not relevant for our periode is it, not to mention almost all of the states involved are local states.
i could get it if you could form understandable arguments.
Every Eastern Asians were âvassageâ to Chinese. And is âvessageâ isnât even like Eruopean version of vassalage" We payed to China but they also PAIED BACK IN LARGER AMOUNT.
Also UNLIKE OUR TIME UNDER MOGULS ( YUAN DYNASTY) Our relationship with Ming/Qing China wasnât "âsubordinateâ under them we had full independence and our king could do whatever hell they wanted and Chinese emperor had no say on how to run the government. So much that during our 4th king (Sejong the great) we came up with our own writing system that is VERY different from Chinese letters. It is just that on paper we had to accept that China as âbig broâ country.
Which is why unlike in Yuan Dynasty most maps mark us as a separate nation from Ming/Qing China.
kinda surprising that person with historical education would sell Korea short⊠maybe you know nothing about Asians and are focused on European history.
maybe i just dont think korea is interesting? they just had 1 war that they didnât do well in, but frankly this is an argument we had long ago, i dont find it interesting.
japan wasnât a Vassal, yes true Korea isnât unique in this regard, but i dont argue for other vassal-states to be added either.
i know of the korean writing system, which like Japanese was a homegrown effort. i just dont think it makes the faction more important to add.
what i would want is Korean natives on at least the Korea map, could be unique being the only native giving artillery and a unique boat unit.
What about Admiral YI?
No Korean NEEDS to be its own full fledged civ. and they deserve it too.
Chosun was important enough to be full fledged civ
what kind of unimportant civ creates its own writting system that is not only still in use but also is TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT IT USED TO USE (Chinese )
Just because Korea never was in major battles and they did badly on earlier part of the war doesnât mean they are not major civ.
Aslo remember that Tokugawa saw Korea as important enough to have good relationship with and will often use diplomats to show off its power.
Joseon missions to Japan - Wikipedia
And Korea was one that sent many of confucius teachings to Japan.
i dont think single persons should dictate how interesting a faction is, sorry 
i think a general rule for why a civilization should be added is how active said country was in the period, and well Korea Flared up in the 1590s and then just kind of stopped doing anything for the rest of the period.
i understand that you really wanna see them in the game, and i can understand why you would want that, after all i also want my country in the game.
while this obviously is a debate worth having, perhaps it would make more sense to discuss in another thread. sorry if i come off as too dismissive.
It ainât just a single person mate. He won many battles. Joseon only lost early battles because they were caught off guard and was unprepared for war. And King at the time wasnât a military leader. That is like saying France wasnât important player in WWII Because it lost to Germany so quickly.
You mistake period of peace with inactivity
"After invasions from Japan and Manchuria, Joseon experienced a nearly 200-year period of peace. Joseon witnessed the emergence of Silhak (Practical Learning). The early group of Silhak scholars advocated comprehensive reform of civil service examination, taxation, natural sciences and the improvement in agromanagerial and agricultural techniques. It aimed to rebuild Joseon society after it had been devastated by the two invasions. Under the leadership of Kim Yuk, the chief minister of King Hyeonjong, the implementation of reforms proved highly advantageous both to state revenues and to the lot of the peasants.
Factional conflict grew particularly intense under the reigns of the kings Sukjong and Gyeongjong, with major rapid reversals of the ruling faction, known as hwanguk (æć±; literally change in the state of affairs), being commonplace. As a response, the next kings, Yeongjo and Jeongjo, generally pursued the Tangpyeongchaek - a policy of maintaining balance and equality between the factions.[31][32]
The two kings led a second renaissance of the Joseon kingdom.[33][34] Yeongjoâs grandson, the enlightened King Jeongjo enacted various reforms throughout his reign, notably establishing Gyujanggak, a royal library in order to improve the cultural and political position of Joseon and to recruit gifted officers to run the nation. King Jeongjo also spearheaded bold social initiatives, opening government positions to those who would previously have been barred because of their social status. King Jeongjo had the support of the many Silhak scholars, who supported his regal power. King Jeongjoâs reign also saw the further growth and development of Joseonâs popular culture. At that time, the group of Silhak scholars encouraged the individual to reflect on state traditions and lifestyle, initiating the studies of Korea that addressed its history, geography, epigraphy and language."
Look just because a country is experiencing a moment of peace dose not mean a nation was lazying around doing nothing. Creating culture and science is just as important as having a military conquest you know.
Plus having a peace is a good thing
Lol why does a thread about a Mayan civ, has to end in another endless discussion about the relevance of Korea.
No. Japanese military wasnt strongest in the world in 1600. Where did you get that genius idea from? Do you have sources backing your claim,?
You say you are an historian, but you then state that Korea beat Japan which prevented them from becomming a first world powerâŠ
First in 1600 Japan had no means of occupying China for 400 years to be a first world power. Second the Chinese were horseshit against Europeans, why would Japan suddenly be better with Chinese territory? You say resources, so what resources are you talking about? â â â â â â â oil?
Also Korea got its â â â kicked by Japan, Japan was easily at Pyongyang and if it wasnt for China, not Korea, Korea would be Japanese. Even then China and Korea lost many battles and only the death of the Japanese emperor ended the war. And you call yourself an historian. What a joke. It took me 10 minutes to read about the war.
oh boy
LOLZ THIS PROVES THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JAPANESE HISTORY!
toyotomi hideyoshi was NOT an Emperor he never was. there was EMPEROR and his name was NOT hideyoshi.
He was defecto leader that lead Japan behind the Emperor. That is because Japanese emperor served as a puppet head for real guy in charge- like English king.
NOPE, There was no way Hideyoshi wouldâve won in the long term. Especially when Admiral Yi cut off the supplies . When they reached Pyongyang it was clear this was full extent of Japanese forces and they suffered from lack of supplies- and cold weather to boot.
What an amateur calling Hedeyoshi an Emperor. Do you even know shogunate?
I think your history knowledge is non-existent.
Donât try to look like an expert on a domain you have no knowledge in, that makes you look stupid 
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Go on start reading, people here have read 150-200 books on history at least and u come and contradict them after watching few YouTube videos? really??
At least watch well made videos instead of fake ones, try this:
he called Hedeyoshi an Emperor. LOLZ my eyes⊠It is just so funny and amateurish.
He wasnât even a proper Shogun. did he think Tokugawa was an Emperor?
Yeah⊠lets just move here, I created a separated topic, as they were idignated for the of topic Korean talk.