What about the Daughters?
There was one Chinese Empress, but when looking her up for potentially making a mod Chinese campaign, she wouldn’t be a good pick for the game. Most of the interesting stuff with her was inter-court politics and assassinations. No great list of battles with varying powers.
A campaign on Queen Olga of Kiev would be cool. Most badass revenge story in history.
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Yeah, but that’s assuming this dlc will be region based. If, like some people assume, it’s some sort of Forgotten 2: Electric Boogaloo with civs from all over the world, they would have to pick another naming convention. And it’s worth noting that we’ve had two letters for all DE dlc’s, unlike the HD ones with only the first letter from the most relevant part of the dlc’s title (so I guess the A from tAK stands for “African” rather than “Africa”…).
In short, it’s weird that after we, ee, in and cs, a dlc about China would not ## ### cn or maybe ea for East Asia. Maybe there’s actually more to it.
Sadly, I think the devs might tiptoe around using a name that has already been picked for a Paradox game’s dlc…
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I don’t think torture works well for a strategy game campaign.
A real expansion pack, like conquerors and forgotten would be a amazing adition, but a BIG DLC like DoI could be great too.
My only wish is Microsoft solve lack of information.
Perhaps they kept it shorter to make it harder to identify?
It also makes sense for the first two DLCs to have 2 letters due to them being two-word locations.
She played diplomacy on next level.
Yeah, but it was kept for INdia and CaucaSus.
Must…resist…
Well, I would guess Caucuses was shortened to CS and not C was because they had outlined plans for the next couple of DLCs already, and since China is a shorter word, easier to leave that one as just C.
India I have no strong idea. Potentially it wasn’t added early and felt confident calling it in instead of i, in case they needed i for something else. But that’s a stretchier guess.
Unfortunately the only diplomacy mechanics in the game are the game chat and armies on the field.
This is exactly the initial starting point for my deduction of phcam = V&V. I just didn’t mention it.
Yeah all we can do is guess, like using a leaf to guess whether autumn has arrived.
Remember that there was a road map before? The “ancient friends” in it have already appeared in the form of RoR and Romans, and there is only one note left that hinted that a DLC may be similar to Dynasties of India. This may also mean that this DLC will be like the Indians split, turning a civ that currently covers a wide range into several civs.
If there will be as many as 44 achievements, only Africa and East Asia have the potential to provide 6-7 new civs in a region. And, 6-7 new civs can be easily gathered among the groups in East Asia and eastern Central Asia who had historical interactions with medieval China, like Gokturks, Jurchens, Khitans, Sogdians, Tanguts, Tibetans, and an Yunnanese civ representing kingdoms of Nanzhao and Dali (maybe named to Cuanmans).
“Chieftains” or “Chiefdoms” is somewhat unsuitable for the African theme, because potential African civs had established more mature political entities such as kingdoms, empires, sultanates, etc.
Although “C” is indeed open to many interpretations, for example, Christians. But it is one of the clearest indicators right now. All the few indicators that can be used to speculate at the moment are favorable for a Chinese DLC.
Like they don’t use “sa” for South Asia but “in” for India.
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Should we include the modded strings in a file under a different name or simply replace the existing one with our modifications?
Why that’s unfortunate? That is enough for her campaign. You don’t seem to know her story.
Empress Dowager Xiao of the Liao Dynasty of Khitans is a great material for a campaign featuring a female ruler.
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I’m quite curious to know what this (presumably abusive) reply to me said. I thought my post was unprovocative, but perhaps the phrase “true but irrelevant” was a bit blunt…
Some political analysis and the same arrogance where the conclusion is we r all just spreading controversy to feed our agenda just like most of the politicians do and ended up creating war.
I’d request everyone just to ignore him at least on this English abbreviation topic.
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I had actually forgotten about that!
We never really got anything like DoI afterwards. The Persians rework hardly qualifies, as it was just adjustments to one civ, not adding a ton of civs that Persians had been an umbrella for.
E.g. Right now Chinese have to cover Jurchens and Tanguts in the Genghis Khan campaign (and Mongols for Khitans in the same one). And even the Temujin battle in V&V has the Tanguts and Jurchens in it, again with Chinese covering them.
It’s made unclear because of random forum censorship (god I hate it…), but I was saying “cn” or “ch” could both work for China. The weird part isn’t that they would base the file’s name on a country’s initials but that they would use only one letter when the convention has been two since the start of DE (tLK doesn’t really count because it was planned to be a HD dlc at first).
Tbh, considering it was updated at the same time as phcam and countain the exact same files, I wouldn’t be surprised if the “c” just stood for “copy” and Filthydelphia or someone else just used it as a safe save in case some of V&V’s content was accidentally lost or destroyed during its development, then forgot to remove it when it was published.
Well, I wanted to make a detailed reply but I guess I can’t do it anymore and it’s probably better to stop engaging anyway.
That being said, I think this is a case analogous to the Scully Syndrome even though there are no supernatural elements at play here.
It’s also worth noting that Genghis is already one of the campaigns whose civ variety has changed the most over time due to civs being added. In the Horde Rides West we had Russians (Goths => Russians) and Kipchaks (Mongols => Cumans), in the Promise, Bohemians (Teutons => Bohemians) and Polish (Goths => Slavs => Poles) and in Pax Mongolica, Hungary (Teutons => Magyars). I guess by the end of the game’s development, each npc faction in the campaign will have to change xD
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It’s a very interesting thought. Does AOE2DE specifically have a large Chinese audience? I am thinking about Viet civ being added into ROR as a tribute to the Vietnamese AOE1 players.
Whenever a video game has a large Chinese audience (or any nationality really) you usually see nods towards them here and there. The “problem” with China is the CCP, who notoriously ban video games and entire platforms for disagreeing with their politics, “The great firewall” or whatever. Splitting the “Chinese” civ into several would potentially be a bad thing for CCP since it goes against their ethnic ideology, where Han Chinese is regarded as the only Chinese culture. ###### ######### of the Uyghur is the most recent, but Tibet and other regions in china have experienced this for centuries. Compared to India, where multiculturalism is strongly associated with that particular nation (who is not without their issues regarding religious minorities).
I just hope developers don’t release content to please the Chinese audience, only to be censored by their governance. Or even worse - try to appease the CCP and release some propaganda-ish content.
Sorry for going political, but just wanted to shed some light on the differences between India and China specifically and how I have seen the CCP censor video games before.
EDIT: ethnic is not a bad word. Cleansing is not a bad word, but together? very bad
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