Poll Hei Guang Cavalry for the chinese ? Give pasture for nomadic civilization?

The initial concept art for the regional monks was created prior to release, took them five years to implement.

There hasn’t been any sign of official concepts for regional skins, so maybe we can expect regional skins in early 2030 :frowning:

I hope to hell it’s something they are considering and actively working on, but I won’t hold my breath

Hei Guang Cavalry wear exactly a Tang style armour, not for 3K era. I don’t know how devs decided to add them to 3K but not Chinese and other medieval EAs.

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Now try ask hei guang for east Asia, and wait for other discuss of africa and Europe region :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:. But I think 2030 is too long.

It’s not like the farm who is a 3x3 building. Pasture is a 4x4 building with a impassable center of 2x2.

After some day it seem than the community want Hei guang cavalry for the chinese and pasture for mongols, cumans, huns but not for the tatars

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One of the things that actually triggers me about this dlc.

Moreover, I am still waiting for some dev to explain to me the logic why the Cumans and especially the Huns must continue to have Paladins at this point.

I still find it too visually invasive.

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I just realised that we are very slowly getting closer to Knights becoming a regional unit.

I suggested something like that a few years ago: What if Knights were a regional unit?

Now we kinda have a Persian Knight and kind of have an East Asian knight replacement.

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Giving pastures to the nomadic civs sounds like a fine idea, but some of them would then need to be rebalanced to adjust for its impact.

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Why are the animals ibexes and argalis. Shouldn’t it be sheep or goats?

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From now to 6th May, hope Dev rethink about give access hei guang cavalry to East Asia region :eyes::pleading_face:, pasture for nomad civ need expect civ get bonus like monggo hunt work 40% faster it with pasture still more OP than Khmer

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Pasture work similar to farm so the mongol bonus no apply.

I ve seen a post regarding Hei Huang Cavalry, and is a Cavalry unit that can beat Teutonic Paladins and that says a lot, Chinese with this unit is nothing but a big buf for no reason (Chinese got a big buff this patch and you ask more…).

Pastures for Mongols…Having a fast dark age with the OP hunting bonus, a strong early castle age with their Steppe Lancers, now getting a potentially powerful booming bonus?..

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Pastures also for Magyars and Turks? in feudal age. And when they go Castle age they get access to farms instead of pastures? Maybe also Berbers?

Maybe give Chinese a texture of Hei Huang Cavalry? since it’s so s trong.

??? They just same with knight line = cavalry but more damage it mean kill vill faster but spear man line kill it faster than cavalry, do you try it in editor? Or have you seen it on YouTube?

Personally I don’t mind Hei Guang being a regional unit. But there are a few concerns:

  • Based on the performance people have observed so far, it may need to be more expensive.
  • This obviously does not apply to Japanese. It’s also not very accurate for other East Asian civs besides the Chinese and the potential Xianbei, even though it might be acceptable to most of people.
  • Its name is odd to me, probably similar to having a unit called “Plate Knight”, although it seems pretty accurate, for example Li Shimin’s elite cavalry forces were known to have worn distinctive black “iron clad” armour. I don’t know why I feel this way, but I would feel much better if it was called something like “Black Iron Cavalry”.

The performance of the Pasture is designed around the current Khitans, as if it were a bonus of Khitans. I wouldn’t mind seeing it on Huns, Mongols and Cumans in the future, but obviously it should be tweaked first. Also, regarding the upgrades I think they should be put in the Pasture itself rather than in the Mill but disabled for other civs, since most of the civs don’t have the Pasture.

For civs who will eventually settle down, I don’t recommend getting Pasture. If a civ has access to both Pasture and Farm, people will eventually gravitate to the only one they find most efficient.

In other words, I think the Pasture should belong to the potential nomadic steppe architecture set. A civ that will use this set will have access to the Pasture.

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Too complicated.

Well yes, as discussed elsewhere developers should make paladins more regional.

If you reseach Korean and Viet have similar equipment, they all use lamellar armor for cavalry, of course skin of kipchact more familiar for East Asia but hei guang is best for unit region. Japanese at cavalry yes they are not. And I’m do not appreciate cavalry from Japanese. But if I think for Japanese use together it is ok.

Other question:
How about the Traction Trebuchet?
It would make more sense for most Asian civs in general, wouldn’t it?

Also potentially for Late Antiquity civs in Europe like Romans, Goths and Huns? Or maybe some catapult like unit instead?

Really? For me it looks just directly like a downgrade to Knights. It only reaches Knights performance against Knights and Archers when fully upgraded - and performs worse against the counter units.

2 of the 3 civs don’t even get it FU - interestingly the “cavalry” civ does miss out on Plate Barding Armor which makes it take 2 Damage from Skirms in Imp.

I observe that almost always new units get hyped and called OP for no reason. The Serjeant on release was called the “ultimate teutonic huskarl”. And sucked.

I think with the current stats the Hei Guang will underperform and we’ll see how strong Knights are actually and most importantly: WHY.

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They have it already. It’s the mangonel.

  • Restoration of Armor in the Joseon Dynasty

  • Restoration of armor from Goryeo Dynasty

  • For your information, most of the armor excavated in Korea was made of metal, such as chalgap or panggap, and in the case of the Goryeo Dynasty, the style of clothing was Goryeo’s unique artillery chalgap + Song Dynasty style, and in the case of the Joseon Dynasty, Eomsimgap, Dujeonggap, Hwangdongdujeonggap, and Dumigap, which were in the form of chain armor (cracker armor)/plate and mail/vest, were used.

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