Never said that.
And what do you mean by me “defending” them.
Like I should be chastising them or something?
They were good because FE is a decent AoE2 developer, which is the same reason why DoI is probably going to be good too.
The whole reason I’m a fan of AoE2 is because I like general AoE2 content, not just specific parts of it.
What is this even in response too?
Are you even replying to things I’m saying or just saying things on your mind and reply to me accidentally?
Is it because I said China is probably the next DLC focus or something?
is for me implying that you don’t agree with more African and American civs. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You also said that Dawn of the Dukes is a better expansion than African Royals which just seems weird if you compare the content African Royals included compared to Dawn of the Dukes in terms of new units, new maps and new buildings:
Muhammad spreads the word of Islam, that’s not inherently important?
Siddhartha meditates for 49 days under the Bodhi tree, that’s not inherently important?
The creation of the Hundred Schools of Thought, that’s not inherently important?
Yeah, by accident this kind of information passed until nowadays, so you can think they are inherently important ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Is there some irony on what I’m saying? Perhaps, who knows? Tired to talk about basic history stuff to people who think they know History without reading about history theory. How do I know you didn’t read any? Magical powers
Of course, just mention them since they are the most documented, but it is true that the history of the world is not Europe, in fact in the Middle Ages North Africa and East Asia and I would tell you that even Mesoamerica and the Andes were more advanced than the Europeans in a lot of things…North Africa had algebra and were tolerant of other religions, East Asia had powder and paper money and Mesoamerica had thermal baths and pipes and lived in tune with nature…
Of course, in fact the campaign of Sundiata serves as an example of overcoming and worthy stoicism that has nothing to envy to that of Julius Caesar in AoE 1 DE…
Let’s just say that depending on where you live, what happens or not in e.g. Bohemia or Timbuktu matters to you more or less.
Especially considering how less globalized the world was in the past, you could safely skip completely the impact Bohemia had on the European Reformation to perfectly understand the evolution of the Chola empire through time in the time frame the game depicts e.g.
Of course, I wouldn’t have said it better… for centuries we have lived in a strong European and Western ethnocentrism that they are better than the rest of the planet and can do whatever they want with it and that’s not the way it is… this planet will change that we all realize that we are all the same and can do the same things no matter what continent you come from…
But this is what I and others (perhaps with exaggeration) try to say: what is important varies from place to place, people to people.
Example. In my time, the Brazilian education system chose the narrative it deemed important. It was more or less like this:
→Egypt (mathematics), Greece (philosophy/democracy), Rome (language/law)
→ Medieval Europe (Feudalism and Catholicism/Charlemagne’s French Renaissance/Magna Carta in England) and Arab Mediterranean (Islamism/Iberian Conquest/Reconquest)
→ Modern Europe (Protestant Reformation/Great Navigations/New World/Colonialism)
→ Colonial Brazil, Empire Brazil, Republic Brazil
This is what an ordinary Brazilian learned in my time. Note that there is no room for Russians, Chinese and Indians (heck, there was barely any mention of the African peoples that make up half the country! And the natives clearly never existed!)
Based on this, I conclude that other countries in the world follow the same logic of choosing a narrative adjusted to their interests. What is important varies from people to people, or can be (in cases similar to mine) heavily biased towards Europe due to colonialism.
So how am I going to expect anyone here to be interested in, say, the great kingdoms of Kongo or Songhai or Kanem? What are the chances that they’ve heard of them, considering all of the above? I commend you for being one of the few (like me too) who seeks knowledge beyond school education, but the vast majority unfortunately are not and each country leans towards its education policy.
So you’re not replying to things I’m saying in the thread, but things I said days or even months ago?
I mean, that’s a little confusing.
Maybe you should let me know that you’re doing that ahead of time.
People have been asking for this for a while and I never got it because the “Italians” civ ingame is essentially North Italy and pretty close what a Venetian civ should be.
I said that I don’t agree with adding a Venetian civ because they’d be very similar to Italians?
Jeez, I can tell that comment must have really annoyed you.
We need to start pushing for African and American civs
I don’t like this idea of pushing anyone for anything any civ.
Maybe I do have a preference for other civs but so what? I’m not allowed preferences?
Let’s see what I said next.
Whatever happens in future, I’m glad the game is getting supported and I am glad to be getting new civs and campaigns.
Wow, what a horribly regressive and uninclusive thing I said. I was very rude to that person with the different opinion than me. I should boycott the game because things didn’t go my way!
You can take the “African Kingdoms” part and replace it with the “USA&Mexico” dlc for AoE3 and I’d be saying the same thing. I didn’t bring up race or culture in that post and talked purely about the amount of content.
And I feel like you’re trying to paint me as some kind of racist because of that.
Real classy.
You didn’t make any kind of argument for your position, I ask you a questions about your opinions and you deflect answering by implying that I have a poor knowledge of history.
Ok then.
And Most people would prefer to stick to one or a few regions, correct? I did not get taught anything medieval . And I have really liked the European stuff - the cultures, architectures/histories just seem more interesting and relevant to me personally. I understand people have other tastes and I will never scream at them for it.
You might have great knowledge about what is interesting to you in history, as those events you think are important. What you lack is knowledge about how History is done.
Don’t take is personally (or take, whatever) but my experience here at the forums is that it’s useless to debate about history theory to those who have never read a single book about that.
FE is a decent developer of aoe in general, even better than Relic, since while FE is improving and expanding the saga in general to all the communities of its games, Relic is sinking it with all the time it is taking to fix aoe 4…
Let’s say that progress is being made in terms of studies of African history evolving from “There’s the Israelites who did that here” to “I actually want to know the facts”.
No matter which group we’re talking about, it should not be a X against Y, else it just ends into an endless hatred spiral. I agree that African and Asian history gets bashed from time to time here in those very forums, but saying that they have the largest significance out of all just seems leading to hate. Identity politics, from the left or right political spectrum, is toxic. I do not want to discuss that further though.
The only thing I want is that every region gets the same chance to represent its big players.
I’m just being realist to say that there’s not an infinite design space available in this game and Europe already got its chance to present its civs in a very likely finite roster.
Of course if we’re going to have an infinite amount of civs, there’s no reason why there shouldn’t be any European civs anymore.
Look, majority of the world’s economy and population by far has always and will always live in Asia. Vast majority of significant events have occurred not in Europe but in Asia.
By any metric we can go by, Asia is at least three to four times larger than Europe, be it number of people, size of economy in medieval era, number of stories or anything else.
So what I said was not to provoke anyone, but was said out of real facts, which need to be told to some Europe/America players on this forum (to those who dont know these basic facts).
I would suggest you and everyone else to refrain from picking comments from other threads from other posters. This contributes to a war atmosphere. Everybody keeps accusing each other and we got nowhere
Well then I’m sorry that I misunderstood you. There’s so many ignorant people with regards to African history on those forums, I wasn’t sure if you were one of those.
I might have become a bit paranoid, sorry for that.
yeah this is one thing i agree with, I’d love to see an actual neutral historian give us real input on what actually constitutes as “Significant events” instead of someone just making unsubstantiated claims without any source to back it up.
. And I have really liked the European stuff - the cultures, architectures/histories just seem more interesting and relevant to me personally. I understand people have other tastes and I will never scream at them for it.