Propose your own Regional Units

[Mahazona]

Goths should get them as they are the best stand in for saxons and sweden.

[SMUM15236]

Really cool design. I was thinking about splitting Camel line into 2 as we have a bit too much imo - 13 civs. New line should have almost the same stat like Paladin vs Savar without the team bonus and maybe 1 less PA.

[Mahazona]

Foederati unit for romans byzantines goths huns.could be a unique upgrade replacing the hca or halberdier.

[CouguarLoup7693]

Another entry on reddit

Myin cavalry

Replacement for knight line for south east asian civilization. A cheaper and faster but weaker version of knights. Manipur cavalry technology apply.

Lifida Horsemen

Replacement for knight line for south african civilization.

This unit is a “in between knight/steppe lancer” cavalry, meaning that they should have 1 range, slightly less armor and health than a knight but more than a lancer, and the same speed as a knight. Ethiopians could have “generic” units while Malians ones should be affected by the Farimba unique technology.

Royal guard

Shock infantry. This unit as a slightly slower eagle warrior, resistant to skirmishers (but not necessarily to archers) with a charging short-range melee attack where they throw their spear (similar to the fire lancer). They could be affected by the armor bonus of Malians and the Royal Heirs unique technology of Ethiopians.

[CouguarLoup7693]

Another from Asleep-Emotion9161 on reddit

Partisan line

The first is a regional line of “Partisans” from the original Burgundian Flemish militia, I think this could be extended for Bohemia, Poland and Lituania, which all had Hussite uprises (less so in the last two) and for the Magyars, they could have a unique imperial upgrade called the “Black Army militia” using a polearm and a Pavise shield, typical of these mercenaries

I think is good for the burgundians and the bohemians and maybe for the Teutons ( German Peasants’ War in early XVI th century). For Poland, Lituania and Magyars maybe not.

Black Army paladin

the second proposed Magyar unique unit could be a “Black Army” paladin variant armed with a mace, these two Black Army units could be unlocked after the research of “Corvinian Army” unique tech.

Billhook

For Britons a unique halberdier variation that use a billhook, a very traditional British medieval weapon and maybe with more attack.

Norman Rider

For the Franks and Sicilians (forming the Normand kingdoms) I would like to give the “Norman Rider” a unique variation of the light cavalry with more range armor.

I dislike this concept, I already proposed a concept of unique unit replacement for the knight line for the Sicilians here :

Norman cavalry, unique unit for the Sicilians

Norman cavalry, unique unit for the Sicilians Many civilizations included old one gain two unique units. I suggest to replace the Knight line for the Sicilians by the Norman cavalry line (Norman knight and Norman cavalier). For the model use the Robert Guiscard hero unit, so there is only one new skin to make. Norman knight use the Robert Guiscard skin and Norman cavalier use the same skin with a more armored horse. My idea is based on the Norman cavalry of the Bayeux tapestry. Those riders…

Gallowglass

For Celts I had already presented a two handed swordman/champion replacement, maybe with faster movement and attack rate but with less armor.

Auxiliary

For Goths and Huns, the barbarian groups that fought against or with Rome, a unique skirmisher replacement called the “Auxiliary” to represent the warriors that adopted Roman tactics, maybe with the same stats as normal skirmishers but without a minimum range and even a melee attack.

I don’t like much this unit. Visually they look good but in practice removing the minimum range of the skirmisher must be reserved for the Incas. Also I proposed the Angon thrower as a unique unit in the topic for the migration period DLC who can fit the same role.

Gendarme

For Burgundy, but specially for the Franks (together forming the kingdom of France) I would like to give a unique imperial super-heavy cavalry unit: the “Gendarme”, because I consider that the ultimate cavalry civ of the Franks has been lost with the years. This could be not just a paladin replacement but a cavalry with a unique charging mechanic with a lance that give a massive one use extra attack and 1 range, then the lance is destroyed and the unit use a normal sword, then after a cooldown the player can pay a modest amount of wood (maybe 10 or 15 wood) for a new lance and another extra strong attack maybe for a high value target.

Good concept but this need to automate the cost of wood. I think we can pay the cost of wood in two manner :

1 Select a single unit or a group of unit an click on a button to pay the cost.

2 Adding a button in the stable. Like the button in the mill who can replenish the farms, this button in the stable can replenish the gendarme. With this we can automate the process without more micromanaging.

Jinete

Lastly, for the Spanish and Portuguese (the Iberian kingdoms under Umayyad rule) a unique scout line replacement called the “Jinete”, similar to the Genitour, this is because these Iberian civs adopted the tactics of the Umayyad and also the word comes from the “Zenete” Berber tribe as far as I know. However, this will not be another “mounted skirmsher”, instead a light cavalry with a recharging range attack and a normal mele mode.

I dislike this concept because we have already the Genitour of the Berbers. Also as a french player The Genitour of the Berbers is already called Jinete in the french version, this will create confusion. I think it’s better to use the already existing Genitour unit making him a regional unit.

[Mahazona]

Dotd really needed to add a flailman/partisan unit to add more flavour to the hussite campaign.

[RatcicleFan]

@CouguarLoup7693

I dislike this concept because we have already the Genitour of the Berbers. Also as a french player The Genitour of the Berbers is already called Jinete in the french version, this will create confusion. I think it’s better to use the already existing Genitour unit making him a regional unit.

Alternatively they could rename the Genitour to Zenata (or Zenata Rider since Zenata is a tribe).

[CouguarLoup7693]

Another from Asleep-Emotion9161 on reddit

The bactrian camel rider and the Ghazi line were already presented above I will not write more.

Camel lancer

First the camel lancer for the Berbers and Saracens (together making the Umayyad Caliphate), an imperial heavy camel troop from the stable with 1 range (similar to a steppe lacer but with bonus against cavalry) since both civs have bonuses and techs that beneficiate it and especially Saracens were the original camel civ and nowadays feel a little bit underwhelming.

Great bombard

For the Turks I would love to see the classical great bombards as a unique unit, maybe as a replacement for trebuchets?

Archer line split

Then I will like to propose that the archer line is split, crossbowmen and arbalest will be given to most European civs, maybe just excluding eastern Europe (Bulgars, Magyars, Slavs, etc…) and I would also like to propose separate technologies for crossbows and archers since thumb ring giving crossbows more accuracy makes no sense, maybe a technology called Windlass (a mechanism with handles for reloading a crossbow) gives a faster fire and more attack but no accuracy bonus to make a distinction between archers and crossbowman.

Good concept for most european civilizations but I will be sad if the chinese who invent the crossbow didn’t a have access to this weapon.

Naqqara (camel drum support unit)

Continuing with camels, I would like to propose a Mongol and Cuman unique support camel “monk like” called Naqqara (for the drums), it will not have any attack, instead a healing area effect and maybe an attack speed bonus.

Sassanid Cataphract

Finally for Persians, I would like to give them a heavy armored unique variation on the steppe lancer called the Sassanid Cataphract (since both Byzantines and the Sassanid empire used heavily armored cavalry) that can be created in the stable, also to replace the Savar that is now a regional paladin variation.

Good concept but not at the cost of removing the savar fir the persian.
Having a knight line replacement is good but I think the current savar unique upgrade for the persian must be kept.

Konnik like elephant

The second proposal for Persians is separating the war elephants in two phases (similar to a Konnik it will be “two different units”) with half of the original war elephants hit points for each phase: first with a rider on a wooden tower with the current statistics, then, when the rider is killed and the tower destroyed, the war elephant turns into the current graphics but with more attack and speed but it causes friendly fire (to represent that the elephant is now a loose beast).

Good concept to have a frightened elephant.

[II.Selim]

Also the bombard cannons in the game looks too small to me.

[DynasticPlanet5]

I mean they’re art and all and thats noce but do they fill holes in playability

[KnightPandaMage]

I like all the ideas
just i hate aoe naming:
use crossbowman and late crossbowman and make arbalest different unit its different weapon.
And drop elite and replace it for late.

[Mahazona]

@KnightPandaMage

late crossbowman

This is a terrible name.

[TommoChocolate]

@KnightPandaMage

drop elite and replace it for late

This is hilarious. Does a late crossbowman have a longer training time, or 0 HP?!

[KnightPandaMage]

nice one but elite implies veterancy not gear upgrade in my opinion. Elite could he get after killing lets say 10 units. Total war series (rome and medieval) used (early and late units). English is not my main language so I my be wrong.
but this is off topic ill stop here.

[TommoChocolate]

@KnightPandaMage

elite implies veterancy not gear upgrade in my opinion.

To me, possibly but not necessarily. I’d interpret elite simply as implying soldiers who have been identified as being superior. That could be because they’re more experienced, but it could also be for other reasons, e.g. they’re more talented, have better training, they were born into a privileged background, etc. or some combination of reasons. And I think elite troops would be likely to have better equipment, even though it’s not the better equipment that makes them elite.

I agree it’s not always ideal, especially in contexts like elite Hussite wagon and elite organ gun, but I think it’s better than any alternative I’ve heard or thought of.

@KnightPandaMage

Total war series (rome and medieval) used (early and late units).

I find this surprising, because they’re made by a British company and presumably named by native English speakers. Looking on the Total War wiki, I see they have a unit called late Carthaginian hoplites, which to me really does sound like Carthaginian hoplites who have died.

Anyway, back on topic…

@CouguarLoup7693

I appreciate the effort, but to me, these are just kitbashed sprites rather than genuine concepts. There’s a little effort to explain and justify their gameplay roles in the commentary, but really not much.

Also Ghazi → Sipahi → Savar is sort of like if the knight line was called Crusader → Hussar → Clibanarius.

[II.Selim]

Let’s make Samurai a regional unit for Japan and Iberia.

[DynasticPlanet5]

@TommoChocolate

I appreciate the effort, but to me, these are just kitbashed sprites rather than genuine concepts.

I agree. I swear people put more love to the art than a brilliant idea. None of those units seem necessary

[PeakHornet46539]

He arrived late to the battle…

[AbuzzJam4677680]

@CouguarLoup7693

Then I will like to propose that the archer line is split, crossbowmen and arbalest will be given to most European civs, maybe just excluding eastern Europe

I have proposed flatbowman-line for american civs. But many believed that unit recognition was more important. It is wierd that American civs using crossbow.

[Alexios732]

@TommoChocolate

Also Ghazi → Sipahi → Savar is sort of like if the knight line was called Crusader → Hussar → Clibanarius.

To add to this, I’d prefer Ghazi → Timarli → Kapikulu, but I’m still quite unsatisfied with this naming since Ghazi are supposed to be raiders so they’re either light infantry or light cavalry which fit the hussar line better than the knight line.