Because devs are not discriminative like you.
Here’s my analogy:
Most people in north America are white. So why bother with all these minorities.
Because it’s discriminative and as I already stated earlier. The devs want to be inclusive rather than exclusive.
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The only solution thats fair is seen is giveing more bans. That way everyone cn play how they like. Just put a warning that more bans may lead to longer waiting times so everyone can make an informed disicion bout banning (too) much
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And after that the solution for people who only want to play the “non standard” maps is to play lobby games or to queue for 20min+
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It’s even logger for them if they alt+f4 or resign…
And longer for everybody else, too.
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Bro , chill . i m not discriminative , i just don t care if u wanna play a map i don t like . any1 should be allowed to play the map they like . this is a game , we want to have fun with it . do u get that ? i m not having fun with a most of the maps , that s why i m sticking to arabia . And why should the majority quit playing ranked just cuz u want to play marketplace ranked ? also , why do u wanna play ranked if there are lobby games ? i wanna play ranked cuz i m good at the game , i won in tournaments against top 100 players in the world , i got matched on the ladder against pros , i keep grinding elo at a high level . so why should i just stop grinding cuz u wanna play some weird maps on the ladder ? look at the pro scene . how many players in the top 100 have arabia banned ? not even 10% . if u want to play , non standard " maps , i literally don t care , u can have fun in ur own way , but let me have fun in my way , don t force , me to play weird maps . And yeah , i just forgot about the ncZone .
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Also , if u ll have to wait 20 mins in the queue for 1 opponent , it means that ur favourite maps isn t a good map , cuz there are too few players who enjoy it . that s why this kind of maps shouldn t be in the map pool . Why don t u just go for lobby games ? there should be an option to create ranked lobby games . this way u ll be able to play any map u like without forcing me to not have fun for 30 mins
And ur analogy wasn t a good 1 . U can t choose ur skin color , that s why we all are equal . But choosing a map is not the same thing . this is a game , we wanna enjoy it . i m not supposed to create a system for u to enjoy ur favourite maps , i m just want to have fun . that s why the skin color is a very different problem
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exactly. Its not fair to ask the most players to play maps they dont want to just bc a few like nomad or megarandom. Its great that u have smt u like but dont force other ppl to play that map. After all this is just a game, and a game is supposed to please the most possible ppl. Its not healthcare or social securety. Thats just smt totally different
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2v2 Teamgame. One enemy drops. I resign, my teammate resigns. Game Over. I go back to lobby. 5 Minute Block. wtf?
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is it fair one leaving and other 7 are waiting another 35 min (summary)?
One loosing 35 min of life for 7 people(5 min in the queue). so much “fairer”.
well if you get enough bans, everyone will play the maps they want so no one will dodge anymore. And yes, if there are only 3 ppl who want to play megarandom, then its not fair the force the map on 25 others who dont want to play it.
I dont know the exact numbers ofc and i have no idea if you will have to wait 10 or 30 min. Another option is to play lobby games. The BF comunity has that quite figgured out and they almost only play lobby games i think
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Hey finally, I do welcome this change. Although I would like to discus two points:
- Why isn’t this patch (yet again) mentioned (and pinned) in the Release notes section of the forum? Where do you guys check what is the latest version of the game? I bought my copy of AoE II DE through Windows Store and it sometimes happen I do not get an update automatically. Usually it takes me a coup[le of days to realize I am out of date and in the meantime the matchmaking simply takes forever - no wonder since almost everyone else has gotten the update.
- Secondly, it happens occasionally that the matchmaking crashes a few seconds after a match has been found but before starting a game. You would think that the other party just Alt+F4 but I am pretty sure this is not the case because of a single reason. This only happens on maps different than what is my favorite. Or maybe on maps different than Arabia, since I favor Arabia every single time. So why would anyone Alt+F4 if his/her map was chosen? And this is despite I am completely willing to play the other map that was chosen. I click “I am ready” and suddenly the matchmaking crashes and I have to get into the queue again. I hope this issue will not count as a strike in the new system preventing Alt+F4.
There are 2 maps which are clearly head and shoulders above the others in popularity. Arabia and Arena. Arabia and Arena only players must be like 60% of the player base. Well, before they ruined Arabia at least anyway. While I understand infinite bans is not a solution, there has to be a way to cater to everybody. The majority of the player base should not be forced to play what only the minority wants. That’s like positive discrimination or something.
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no , that s why we all think alt+f4-ing isn t a good option . we don t alt+f4 just cuz we want to dodge games . But with more bans , instead of waiting 5 mins in the queue , u ll have to wait 6 , maybe 7 , but all 8 player will like that map . At my elo , i have to wait 5 mins even for 1vs1 games . It s so frustrating to wait 5 mins jus tto get a map u don t like . Same goes for those who don t alt+f4 . we want to have more bans , u guys want to ban us . this is the difference
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I doubt quitters care ‘that’ much about their ELO, being they’re already quitters. They’ll tank their ELO and then there will be that many more quitters plaguing lower ELO brackets, wasting the time of those casual players, that Microsoft wants to have as customers, in a concentrated space.
I mean, if a round-about way of purging casual players from the game to keep Ranked free and pure for the elites is what you wanted, then go nuts!
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Exactly, this is gonna force mid-ELO quitters down to low ELO so they can smurf noobs
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So dont subtract ELO, but give unlimited bans. Or am I missing smt why thats not technically possible?
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Probably. Though I have a hunch another part of it is enough people, and/or the right kind of people, don’t want to go back to what worked better before, because there are still flaws in what worked better before. Therefore they would rather take a blind chance with progress and just “throw things at a wall” in the hopes of something magically “sticking.” They will never go back to a flawed thing which still worked well enough, no matter how bad things get due to bad guesses resulting from blind progress, for another chance at finding a perfect something that works so well, that the perfect something also washes away all of their previous mistakes.
Unlimited bans is a complete overhaul of how matchmaking works. I don’t think we will ever see it.
This is why I made that post that shows a potential Alt-F4 fix by creating arena and Arabia only queues.
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Do they get a ban if they quit straight away or are the alt f4ers gonna mess up everyones elo as well?
This is a disruptive band aid solution to a problem that has not been fixed. The problem is: there are players that want to play only certain maps and are unable to do so with the current DE matchmaking system.
The ranked matchmaking system is challenging and fun and a great way to match up evenly with players of similar skill but some maps and playstyles are not enjoyable for all players. The maps with the most differentiation and are the largest source of Alt+F4s are: Arabia, Arena, Black Forest, Islands and Nomad. These maps demand vastly different playstyles and require somewhat unique skill sets. Players opt to play only the maps they find fun and engaging with their skill set and will drop out of a map they don’t want to play. Simpler: Some players only like and have fun on certain maps and only play those maps. This is not new, this is how the original ranked system worked and how the ranked system worked in HD. What’s new is the matchmaking system as opposed to the lobby system.
This proposed solution in 54480 treats those players like they’re wrong and bad for liking those maps and playing the game the way they want. Yes, I agree the Alt+F4 problem is a real problem and should be addressed but this idea is very bad for those players who feel forced to play a map they don’t like in a playstyle they are not competent with. This proposed solution will serve to limit the amount of queue dodgers at any one time but not because they are not there and not upset about the map pool, it will only hide them away and push them into a corner so as not to bother the other players. Great, now that player base is alienated and punished for trying to have fun with a beloved, cherished game. Mission Unaccomplished.
Further, this proposed solution is biased towards those want to play Arabia-style maps (More open maps with fixed starting points and focus on early aggression) because those are the most common map type. Every rotation there are a few maps that cater to those players (And fair enough, as there are more players that want those map types than any other) while there is only one Nomad, Islands, or Black Forest styled map. For instance in the current rotation of Team Random Map there is Arabia, Scandinavia, Mega Random and Valley for open map favoring players whilst there is one water map, two enclosed style maps (Arena and Hill Fort), one Nomad style and Black Forest. The map pool is already catered to those who wish for a certain playstyle and now with the current update the ones who do not wish for that playstyle in their games are being punished further.
A solution that serves all players would be this: infinite map bans. All players get to play only the maps they wish to play and there are no more queue dodgers. No more queue drops and everyone gets to play the maps they want with other players that want those maps. This is how it was in the original, this is how it was in HD. This is how it was for 20 years, why change this now and in this way? Who is to say how the game must be played and that if someone wants to play a certain map they must be punished? This game has garnered the love of people for 20 years precisely because you’re able to play the game in so many ways in so many styles with so many civs on so many maps exactly how each individual likes to play it. That’s Age of Empires. This proposed solution is an insulting deviation from 20 years of multiplayer AOE II and I and others are unhappy with the idea that players are now being punished for playing the game they want to play how they want to play it.
Reconsider this proposed solution and include all players in the fix. Thank you.
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