Sorry, but I won't be buying the new DLC

[TheTowerDefender]

@JasuniSmith

@TheTowerDefender

@JasuniSmith

Keshik’s gold generation makes them more gold-efficient (especially with healing or if they attack targets that don’t fight back - you can milk it for extra effect, something that a reduced price won’t replicate)

at no point does the gold-generation change how you play with the unit. so it’s a gimmick.

the gold generation is also extremely slow, you get about 1.5 gold per villager killed, maybe a bit more per siege unit killed. everything else fights back (except buildings, but no gold generation)

A point I want to make is that what is called a gimmick is arbitrary. And there are some situations where you get more gold than others, so it’s not the same as reducing gold cost or a refund upon death.

no, a gimmick is clearly defined: it’s a mechanic that serves no real purpose.

show me a single game where people use Keshiks differently DUE to their gold generation. That is usually not the case, so it’s a gimmick.
compare that to coustillier’s charge attack. people actively use this unit to run in, snipe a single vil/monk and retreat. that’s a mechanic with a purpose.

@JasuniSmith

@TheTowerDefender

celt’s stronghold healing

Very easy to come up with situations where this would be a strong bonus (aggressive castle drop while using infantry such as woads, defensive play, healing between battles in a FFA, etc). Again, what is counted is arbitrary.

show me games where this is happening.

@JasuniSmith

@TheTowerDefender

• mode switching (might also be a gimmick, i havent played much with this unit)

I’ve played with Rathas a bit: both modes have different use cases, and sometimes it is beneficial to switch between modes

fair enough. it’s still shit, and shouldn’t be in the game.

@JasuniSmith

I consider it a gimmick, but it definitely is not superficial

then you don’t know what a gimmick is.

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

you are saying they are improving them, but that’s is factually false. the translations have gotten worse since HD, and worse during the time of DE.

French translation is good.

there are huge threads with translations issues, even for French.

French translation issues (and coherence with the english version)

GAME INFORMATION GAME BUILD #: 133431 GAME PLATFORM: Steam OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows 10 ISSUE EXPERIENCED Some translations are wrong, and other are not coherent with the english version. Namely: The skirmisher is correctly called “tirailleur”, but is sometimes called “escarmoucheur” in other text boxes. It has the wrong name in the text description of archer (the “weak to skirmisher” part), arbalester (“weak to elite skirmisher”), elephant archer, and ALL arc…

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

sry, meant QA (quality assurance) not Q&A (questions and answers). their testing process is abysmal. game breaking bugs happen after every release.

I still don’t get what you’re talking about, the game quality is insane compared to what it used to be in OG release.

Quality assurance means checking that there are no bugs on release. Each release comes with serious bugs:
teleporting units, units dealing extra damage, units getting stuck on terrain, random crashes

@Ekarlath

You should maybe think more of what you devine as “quality”, to etermine if it’s your vision of the game that is trunked, or if there is a real issue in the game. Personnally I don’t see any quality drop with the time. (content quality is subjective)

that’s not what QA is.

@Ekarlath

Then how do you explain that in 25 years of playing the game, outside of my own mod trashmade crash, I crashed only … 5 time ?

luck. Even if it has something to do with hardware, it’s an optimization issue by the game.

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

but also people intentionally throwing games. There are accounts with 100+ games <5

Then it’s not the devs problem there, it’s human stupidity, you can’t really to anything about that except reporting people and helping the moderation.
It’s definitly not a game issue here you can’t afford the dev team for that.

in this forum everything from “game designer” to “QA tester” and the “moderation team” is called “the devs”.
reporting people to moderation is only useful if there is any actual moderation. the problem is that the moderation team is failing. People who deliberately throw games hundreds of times, and get reported many times still get to play, without consequences.

@Ekarlath

Just forget the notion of “removing”

i provided several options.

@Ekarlath

About the elo, honnestly, elo is not an Age of Empires 2 thing. It’s a multiplayer pvp thing, which is not part of the identity of the game so once more you can’t complain that the game got betrayed by the devs due to a competitive thing that exist only since few years since the birth of that elo system

nonsense. voobly and HD both have an elo system. All i want is that they provide an elo system for the lobby.

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

there is a difference: a gimmick is superficial, it doesn’t add to how the unit works.

Then make it clear, what do you complain about ? Jian swordman ? The rider ?

so many units, which i have listed previously in this thread and in several other threads. Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?

@Ekarlath

The fact that the game is not stagnating ?
Are you really complaining that the game evolve infact ?

I am unhappy that changes are forced upon me. Especially when i consider many of those changes bad or not in the spirit of the game.

@Ekarlath

I mean, there is a differnece between not liking something and not using it. And doing what you are doing, which is just bascially resumed by: “Delete this I don’t want it”.

give me an option to play a functioning game without any of this newly added bullshit and you won’t ever hear me complaining about it again. for all i care they can add Jedi, Atlantians and Bees to the game, if i still have an option to play without these I’m fine. It’s not ok that they are replacing old civs.

@Ekarlath

Rams blocks proejctiles by defaults, but only from towers, castle and other buildings shooting proejctiles. So no Hussite isn’t unique, it’s a derivation from an inbuilt mechanic due to an historical usage of wagon. So it’s a bad example for me.

there is some truth to this argument. However the hussite wagon is advertised as “can protect units”, however that functionality never gets used. so it’s a gimmick

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

the point is that it very much violates the game core identity.

I encourage you to read the original Age of Empires 2 developpement document that got published few month ago about what was the original idea, they had dodge, counter-attack, boarding, charge mechanics planned but where not fully implemnented until the current team managed to adapt the original ideas to the game to make it abit more balance.
So your argument is wrong, they acre currently continuing the original devs way of thinking way better than ever.

the devs were experimenting with some mechanics, as is normal when developing a game. they then decided against the mechanics you mentioned because they didn’t fit the game.

@Ekarlath

I just don’t get what the heck you’re talking about when you seay gimicky infact

I have defined what I mean be “gimmick” several times: a mechanic added to a unit, which doesn’t change how you use that unit. (Or alternatively a mechanic that can be replaced by a basic stat change without affecting how the unit is used)

@Ekarlath

Cause you’re not giving example

Examples (which i have listed several times before):

@TheTowerDefender

• roman charge attacks
• celt’s stronghold healing
• hussite wagon’s projectile blocking
• keshik’s gold generation
• all form of bleed/fire damage (could easily be replaced by bonus damage)
• jaguar warrior’s experience gain

@Ekarlath

Everything in the game affect gameplay seriously, there is really few “non impactfull” mechanics in the game.

just objectively not true. show me a single case where someone uses hussite wagons to block projectiles.
Even if you could find a case, it’s incredibly niche.

@Ekarlath

A “using privilge” that can be revoked to you anytime you break the said rules.

I am not breaking any rules though.

@Ekarlath

@TheTowerDefender

Even when playing single player, I am forced to install updates to the game with changes I despise.

You can disable auto update in the game property on steam.
You can shutdown your internect connexion to not receive update when playing.
You’re not forced, it’s wrong.

I am forced to download these changes when i install on a new machine.
I am forced to download these changes when I want to play with friends.

@Ekarlath

IF You don’t enjoy the game anymore. Just stop playing it. No one force you to stay if you don’t enjoy it anymore.

I bought this game. you don’t get to tell me to shut up, just because you don’t agree with me. Especially since the changes I am asking for wouldn’t negatively affect anyone.