I agree that Spain needs a rework, as does Portugal.
Portugal in the game feels like Mediterranean British and are a badly designed civ. And that’s my fight.
Organ Guns weren’t a thing, Portugal never had that Strong Cav, and Cassadors are in game because they are romanticized on Anglo Saxon literature.
So I feel your pain with Spain.
If anything the Conquistador should have the Role of the Explorer with a military leader bonus.
Same thing for the Ports Navigators.
They were Military leaders, should be represented as such.
Spain dominated the so-called Spanish road that went from Flanders to Italy, from which it controlled Europe.
One of the last battles of the thirds was the battle of Nördlingen facing the advanced and modern Swedish army and who won? Spain
We are going to leave the subject, that each one defend what he knows and let’s talk about the Spanish unit just as I supported your Talvheet theme of the civilization of Portugal in the game.
I liked how you would like Portugal to be in the game.
I think Spain is also wrongly focused, because in aoe 2 it is a civilization of gunpowder and in aoe 3 it is melee??? I think they have focused a lot on the conquest of America …
You really don’t know what you’re talking about, Portuguese mixed with both the natives and African. Learn a bit of the history of Brasil before writing about this subject.
I’d like to see Conquistadores and Cannoneers as regular unique units too.
Also I have to say that this happens with several civs, that their in game representation is that of a specific period of time, ex Spanish Colonial era, Japanese Sengoku era.
An althought I like both would be nice too have some way of having the other times too, as a skin, card or revolution that would change them.
Also yes Europeans civs are way too “general” among themselves. Would be nice if for example muskeeters used the support as Cannoneers and abus guns. Tricornes, etc.
It was at the Battle of Ceriñola (1503) the first time that the outcome of the confrontation was decided by a group of arquebusiers. Under the command of Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (called, for his excellence in warfare, the Great Captain), the Spanish infantry defeated the French troops led by the Duke of Nemours himself, even when the undefeated ones were on the French side. Swiss pikemen. It was also in this confrontation where Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba applied new tactics in the open field battle that would sow the seed for what would later become the Spanish Tercios.
Used in combination with pike protection, the arquebus changed the way war was waged in Europe. In 1522 the Spanish, with this weapon, destroyed the famous Swiss pikemen cadres in Bicoca. Then it was the turn of the medieval French armored knights in Naples, during the Battle of Pavia (1525), who were easily defeated by the arquebusiers. It was after this battle that the arquebus clearly showed its effectiveness, which is why its use spread rapidly among the European armies. Thanks to its use, the infantry became the “queen of battles” for more than 4 centuries, until the first decades of the 20th century.
It would also be a detail for the unit to wear “The twelve apoostoles” around its neck, although I understand that it is very small.
de hecho, cuando vi la miniatura y el avatar del cañonero me alegre y pense “coño, al fin los arcabuceros españoles” pero fue leer lo de cannoniers portugueses y desilusionarme de nuevo al infinito.
hay facciones con mas unidades tipicas españolas que la propia españa en el juego
Me ocurrió exactamente lo mismo. Ya me desilusioné en 2005 con el vanilla y ahora tenia esperanza con el DE pero parece que se me está agotando…
A España solo la parchean tristemente y lo que necesita es un rework.
Su habilidad única de recibir envíos más rápido no es una ventaja en las mismas condiciones que cualquier otra civilización porque depende de un tp sino pueden contrarrestarlo.
In the Tercios they used both units, the arquebuses in the first line with the morrion and the muskets in the second line, but if I had to choose in the game, I would also substitute the musketeer for the arquebusier.
The unit is already created, for example the Chinese have it. They only have to change stats and skin.
Regarding the rods, you are right. They have less damage than a musket bayonet. They should lower the multiplier against cavalry and increase the dps. For the cavalry the pikemen are already there.
You’re wrong, because unfortunately this is the picture they paint of Brazil because of football and carnival, but no, in Brazil there is as much miscegenation as in any other Spanish colony, especially in the interior states of the country. For example I am descended from both Indians and Europeans.
I also believe that musketeers and dragons should have their skins rethought, for example the musketeer should use in their initial form a breastplate and a morion, in the veteran update they should have the current initial appearance, in the guard update they would receive the classic skin from line infantry with long coats and tricorn and in the imperial update, they would dress like soldiers from the Napoleonic period, with backpacks, tall boots and shakos
Last line is a little bit racist, dont you think?. As MagnoGardino said, Spanish at the time of the Colonies and as many cultures back then and now had “classes” social classes (aka Classism). So yes they didnt went on to a rampage to kill every native, but nor you can say that every person born in a “Virreynato” was considered spanish born (From Spain).
Curiosly enough, yes that was how it was “planned”, but how many people actually could go to Spain and be threated as such, this thing about people being born in a colony and being part of the country from which this colony belongs is more modern thing as far as examples goes, correct me if im wrong.
Also here in Mexico we had “Castas” which, a son/daughter belong to x casta depending on which etnic race their father and mother where or how they “mix”.
Racist? Please, I only defend that the Spanish were the good ones, the ones who did the least damage, but the black legend says otherwise.
And if you are Mexican, I understand that you think badly of the Spaniards but that you know that Hernan Cortes liberated all the indigenous villages from the Aztecs who had them subjected and oppressed.
But I repeat again that this is not the topic to talk about this
I don’t believe in the “leyenda negra”, this is nothing more than propaganda from some Protestant regions to attack both Catholicism and Spain, at the time the champion country of the Counter-Reformation.
On the contrary, I have an admiration for Spain, even greater than I have for Portugal.
Although in contact with the indigenous people evidently there were some conflicts, but the main objective was to convert and assimilate them, not to kill them, this serves both Portugal and Spain.
PS.: Personally I think it’s a shame the Duke of Bragança started a rebellion to take the Portuguese throne from the Spanish Habsburgs, but well… history happened and we cannot change it.
Why so much trouble and controversy to include a unit? Simply include it as a card / s in case you have native statistics. Or enable it in the church with a creation limit and that costs population.
Look, I don’t want to start a debate here, but let me tell something and done
1- Españoles were assholes during the conquest? yes
2- Españoles were the least assholes from them all? absolutely yes
So the conversation about “black legend” thing is pointless because it won’t erase the inhumane atrocities done to civilians, blatant racism was (and persist) as a modern day problem dating from the colonial era
I like spain culture for what we are now, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have criteria to judge what I can see daily
Ontopic
Arquebuz should be a spain unit, but don’t replace the mosquetero, could be one of those church “big buttons” type for age II
