Yeah I dont think Cuman boom is OP, it’s hard to pull off and defend well until you get castle. A good opponent will punish it well with early castle age 1 tc push and use their major tech advantages to punish your greed.
You think 10 more vil in feudal is op. But how long would Cuman players need to keep those vils alive to pay for themselves?
Assuming all 10 vils goes to farming, and dark age farmer farms roughly 24 food/min, ignoring wheelbarrow and farm upgrade for now. That means these 10 vils need to stay alive for 2-3 min to pay for themselves before earning profit for you.
During this 3 min payback period, other players who can scout rush (or other rush strategies) can easily take advantage of this and raid Cuman player super hard, while Cuman greedy boom prevents them from having resources to respond - you just spent 500 food on vils so you cannot product 6 scouts to defend. It’s a very risky investment that does not pay off immediately. Why it is suddenly becoming too OP?
Did spirit of the law made a vid about the benefits? In the long run it was about 3 vills, but in the early age they have some weak moments since they invest a lot in eco so they cant invest in military as well. So you could exploit this weakness. Seems pretty balanced to me.
You can take some risk in early age to get a slight benefit in the long run.
I don’t know what level you play at, but if Cumans are really so strong at your level you can play them for a while, and eventually you’ll rise to the level where players can punish a Cuman boom with siege/towers/Knights/Xbows/scouts
If your TC gets magoneled down, you’ll wish you hadn’t build it.
Please stop making these ‘nerf’ threads. You make us noobs look bad.
That’s it? Sure, helping defending during booming, but that’s even more resources poured into booming and defending instead of building a military, or aging up, which delays Cuman castle age even further.
Meanwhile, the opponent can either punish by building a military in feudal, or go up to castle age earlier than Cuman and start building knights, Xbow etc gaining technology lead.
In short, Cuman two TC in feudal is exchanging long term benefits of having a couple thousands more resources than castle age booming with delayed advancing and providing the opponent a chance to raid ur eco early on.
I think Cuman 2TC as it is is pretty ok. If feudal TC gets another nerf, such as even longer build time (say double the current build time), or as you say some sort of vil production nerf, then this “bonus” will no longer be a bonus. Is this the direction developer wants to go at the moment?
Ok, so that’s one pro game that Cuman bonus shine, and Cuman ends up winning. Isn’t that’s what bonus suppose to be? Supporting corresponding civilisation against other civs? On another note, Goth also has no stone walls or much of early eco boost outside of cheap infantry, yet Goth becomes top tier. By proxy, Goth should be nerfed as well right?
Are you changing stances now? You just said that you can do this and do that while your argument fails at a level where the civ can be fully utilized.
The bonus is supposed to help you sure, and so is the farm bonus of the slavs, it is supposed to help you.
Goth is top tier when you let them safely boom and that is why they don’t have strong defense early. Cuman is top tier when you let them safely boom but they have a strong defense early. See the difference here?
Also, goth have early bonus and you come here discussing without knowing them.
Ok, first, my stance is Cuman TC bonus as it is right now is ok. No change required.
Goth does have that hunting bonus, but comparing it to Celts wood bonus, Mongol hunting bonus, I’d say the impact is considerably smaller. The reason is, for Celts, faster wood cutting means more wood for building etc. for Mongols, you simply get more food from deer and boar early on, boosting advancing and such. Goth having increased carry limit and bonus damage against boar imo is noticeably milder in comparison.
I am not professional AOE2 player, but based on my 10 games as Cuman, I lose every single time when I want to go 2TC boom. This is not really representative for any serious purposes but I’d take that as Cuman TC bonus does offer its own unique way of providing a more dynamic feudal age in the current competitive scene.
As for slav farming bonus, that one’s pay off time is also very long, and recently got a NERF, from 15% to 10%. On top of that, feudal farming scale is usually small, so the bonus have an even harder time to shine, and that’s only providing more food, instead of potentially any resource like what Cuman bonus do.