The future of AoE2:DE expansions

Magyars and Bulgarians had Empires in Medieval Age. Even Lithuanians had a larger territory. Late Polish-Lithianian Commonwealth fits better for Aoe3 period not Aoe2. Check history.

And Poland had a kingdom, plus they were the ones that made the Winged Hussars famous

Winged hussars are out of the medieval time period.

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Nope, exactly what i said: that’s a bullshit

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Do explain how they differ.

For the Persian campaign, is it possible to have some sort of campaign with the Hasshashin? Maybe they can appear as some kind of very special unique unit. I think it’ll be really cool. The Hasshashins were Shia Muslim and culturally a lot more closer to Persians. So they can make more sense as Persians than Ghurids or other Turkic monarchs that ruled Persia.

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It has nothing to do with location. E.g. the Huns didn’t make it to the modern era, but they were undeniably making a huge impact

But they are still in the games timeline. :wink:

If you think that Poles used only Winged Hussars, it means that you know nothing about Poland.

The hussars owed their creation to the Serbs who, after the defeat in Kosovo Pole in 1389, looked for an opportunity to take vengeance against the Turks. Jan Długosz described their participation in the Battle of Sawa in 1463. After the death of King Matthias Corvinus, the racers were to come from Hungary to Poland to continue the fight against the Turks. At that time (beginning of the 16th century) Serbs and Hungarians serving ā€œUsarskā€ either did not use any protective weapons, or only wooden ā€œTurkishā€ shields in the shape of a bird’s wing. Their basic weapon was a ā€œtreeā€, that is a copy, much lighter (thanks to a different production process) than its knightly prototype of the Middle Ages. So the hussars were by definition light cavalry.

The birth of the Polish hussars is considered to be the beginning of the 16th century, as the first mention of four hussars on the Polish pay comes from 1500. The first Rackie Posts for the royal court banner were recruited in 1500 by the Grand Treasurer of the Crown, Andrzej Kościelecki. In 1503, the Seym established the first national flags, including Hussar flags. Hussar banners were initially called rack banners, which differed from the then common mine banners by the lack of protective equipment for riders and horses. This is how the more than 200-year history of this formation began, marked by victories in the battles of Orsza (1514), Obertyn (1531), Lubiszew (1577), Mogilev (1581), Byczyna (1588), Kokenhausen (1601), Kircholm (1605), among others, Kluszyn (1610), Chocim (1621), Trzciana (1629), Martynow (1624), Ochmatow (1644), Beresteczek (1651), Połonka (1660), Chocim (1673), Lviv (1675), Vienna (1683), Hodowo (1694).

So the Winged Hussars came to Poland from Serbia. Also, when we are talking about the Winged Hussars in the AoE 2 times, we are talking about Serbs.

14th century

15th century

16th century

17th century

This is why Polish civ and their Winged Hussaria belongs to AoE3 not AoE2

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And yet Poland is not in Age3, but was considered for Age2

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But now we have four variants of East European Civs and it pretty much covers every theme/niche possible.

Fortifications? You have Krepost
Holy Fervor? You have Leitis
Resilient Cavalry? You have Konnik
Winged Cavalry? You have Huszars
Bogatyrs? You have Boyars
Gunpowder? You have Lithuanians

Its better to cover civilization from else where. From places that can actually offer something unique/exotic that can’t be already represented by any existing civs in the game.

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And you somehow think you are going to have a bunch of Indian civs that are unique from eachother, 4-5 sounds reasonable, but more than that they will just be copy paste

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Yes I agree 4-5 indian civs is very reasonable for Aoe2. It should pretty much cover every possible playstyle of South Asia.

I told you 15 because devs are now covering duchies/tiny kingdoms like Burgundians (french dialect) and Sicilians(italian dialect). And Indian Subcontinent is huge and you will need those many civs only if it has to be covered in the same level of detail that Europe is being covered in this game. it’s all developer’s western bias you know.

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Hahahahhaha :joy: :joy: :joy:

A very stupid argument.

So due to the lack of the Winged Hussar, Polish civilization has no right to appear in AoE 2? Of course, they didn’t have a powerful and effective kingdom in AoE 2’s time, and they didn’t have other units …

Say openly that you do not want Poles in this game instead of inventing nonsense.

And you are talking about Inie, which, after all, are already there.

The regions that are actually left out are the Caucasus, Australia and Oceania, and the underrepresented America and Africa. The fact that the Indian subcontinent is comparable to Europe and is inhabited by numerous nations does not mean that they are equally interesting.

In fact, I am in favor of adding a lot of civs from different regions of the world. I am already pissed off by this quarrelsome region that is more important. 15 Indian civs would fit into 3 civs, but those who want more exoticism will always complain. I want to develop the game, not argue.

You won’t change my thinking anyway, and you still ignore what I wrote.

It was a principality that included the present-day Benelux and western France. The Two Unique Units represent just that.

This is the maximum amount. And this, including SEA civilizations.

Nonsense. Burgundians are an umbrella for several different nations, and the Sicilians are a completely different nation and culture compared to Northern Italians. In my opinion, both these Civs are cool and thanks to them Western Europe is complete enough - which cannot be said about Europe west of Burgundy …

15 Indian civs would only make sense in the Indian subcontinent game - even in the Asian game it would be difficult to present - especially for an interesting and varied presentation of each of these civs.

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These were powerful regional powers at the time, and they are relatable to (much of) the playerbase, so their inclusion makes a lot of sense. The Kingdom of Sicily was not tiny, and was not insignificant, actually became a very prominent naval power in the mediterranean (which had a lot more importance before the discovery of the Americas) and we got a very nice campaign story out of it.

The inclusion of the Burgundians also makes sense, they were already one of the main protagonists in the second campaign, while also making appearance in the third, and then again in the Hun campaign of AoC. So at least the faction is certainly easily recognizable to anyone who’s played AoE2. The Duchy of Burgundy did actually play a very important role in history in that region, and the title actually still exists to this day (even though if it is a formality only).

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Okay so if multiple German, Italian, French Civs make sense then I can reasonably ask for four Tamil Civs: Chola, Chera, Pandya and Jaffna or three Oriya Civs: Utkala, Koshala and Kalinga. Then I can call each of them independent political entities and give them their regional dialects. So now Indians will need ~100 Civs.

Cool. Then make yourself a game about Indian kingdoms.

Why do you need AoE 2 if you only care about India. Create the Age of Indian Nationalism and play it if you hate and don’t want European civs.

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The European civs are all different in someway, or they aren’t similar to eachother if they have the same playstyle. I don’t think it would be possible to have 15 unique Indian civs that all do something different

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