Just tell you, the berry bonus isn’t that big. I already made a mistake in the calc. In the aftermath it’s only worth 1/2 of free horsecollar.
It’s not just low levels where it’s true. Even pros rate franks higher then lithuanians.
And yet stats, tournament usage, and pro opinion differs.
So hidden cup basically. But hey. I just looked at hidden cup. Guess what I found? Zero teuton games.
And all are archer civs.
Because of their economy bonus eh?
And here I was thinking this “Lithuanian lose blast furnace omg” outcry was about paladin strength.
Anyway I think if the change goes through it is good. Frank paladins should also get a nerf, so we have more diversity in those precious team games with only two types of units. This way we could see Cumans and Spanish and Teutons and Magyars instead of just Franks and Lithuanians.
If we want to be pedantic about this: I also didn’t find too many Franks in TOC with way more standard rules. Teutons however were also present.
It was more a “why do they kill the identity of that civ”? Nobody asked for that change.
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It’s about what it does to the balance as a whole.
Let me make it clearer.
If you had 10 runners and the winner was 20 seconds ahead of second place and second was 5 seconds ahead of the rest of the field would you hammer second or first?
When does the dlc goes live? 12am tomorrow? ( Tonight today) or just tomorrow at noon probably?
Some did. But an easier way to balance them would have been to just target their eco bonus. After all that slows them down overall, especially on hybrid maps where they really shine.
This isnt going to slow them down at rhe early game where their wineates are really strong.
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Well there were also people demanding 33% gold payback for killed saracen units…
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Yeah that change is just weird, IF they needed a change the devs should have targeted this. Missed opportunity and another just random change… Nothing unusual these days actually.
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I read something about 19 CET/ 17 GMT
And I get your argument. But I think it is pointless to have that discussion days before we know what other changes will come through and how good the new Hussar unit will be. The game is mostly balanced around 1v1 Arabia and team games come second. Also the identity doesn’'t go away with this. This is the same argument like with the Incas identity. The civ has so many good options and is good with other strategies.
We can say the same about Franks and they are likely even better in that stage.
Either way, there has to be a sweet spot to it
Except rhe new hussar has zero impact on team games.
Then why hammer lithuanians when rhey are a tier on Arabia at best? Why not go after the auto pick/auto ban meso civs
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We don’t know that though. Maybe it is that crazy “medium cavalry” that is actually good in team games. We will see tomorrow.
The change is likely a buff for them on Arabia because they will have even better trash units and you don’t go for paladin anyway. Also blast furnace is the least important unit upgrade in the game. And you are already getting the upgrade for free if you get relics which you are getting anyway every game so how is this bad?
Maybe the HC buff will be an indirect nerf to them we will see. I too would like to see LS more viable vs eagles but aside from that they might be okay.
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Except rhe relic bonus doesn’t apply to hussar or halbs. Which means it’s not equal at all.
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Maybe the new hussar already has +2 attack and halbs don’t need any attack upgrade at all. In most games you don’t even need it
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Strange theory: Maybe they added the winged hussar to lith because then people without the dlc can “feel their power” already (don’t tell this anyone!!!)
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Point is. There were better ways to nerf lithuanians where they were actually problematic without hurting their potential elsewhere and this nerf wasn’t it.
Maybe you are right. But at the moment we don’t even know if those changes are final and if it is a nerf at all. It might as well be a buff and we will be complaining about how strong and annoying they are. Who knows.
Aside from that i agree that there are other worthy canditates that could get a few tweaks here and there (looking at you Vikings and Mayans)
If this ends up being a buff I’d ask rhe devs what rhe heck they are doing
How OP the winged hussar must be to this being a buf xD
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