You don’t need a ram to isolate their gold. Just bring 1 or 2 villagers to build your tower close-by and it will delay age up by large margin. Also china can build outpost/walls really fast. Why people think tower rush is exclusive to few civs.
I mostly play 2v2s. I agree in 1v1 an HRE player might react early seeing push. But 2v2 its not possible to scout opponents properly and collect sheeps as well. I agree with some early game china buff but siege nerf is 100% justified.
I see, yeah that makes sense. I’m also trying some early aggression strategies against HRE but it’s pretty tricky since their feudal eco can just be better. 40% compared to 20%. And yes I know the Chinese save more ressources like that and the HRE burns through them, but in feudal age it doesn’t have such a big impact. But again, maybe there are just some early game tactics people didn’t figure out completely because everyone tries to get to castle age all the time
ok so you don’t get 2nd landmark then what advantages does China get? zero so why play them? oh you don’t? ok great solution lol ffs.
firelancers are useless now wtaf surely kidding yourself typing that? smh.
Most of the time lmao , I already clarified in another post that I have no intention on getting on the theme of China .
And that most of the comments were posted as a joke , just to get some debate , got to say that I got some funny responses from people that main siege .
I’m just happy that China is no longer a nightmare to play vs
但是中国命官也相应的需要花费150资源+20s时间，中国如果第一个生产命官，实际赚回赚回成本时间在5min左右。相比较于罗斯（狩猎），神罗（教士增益）等，狗官是中规中矩的，至于监督军事建筑，命官只能制造4个，再加上中国二世代遇到大多数文明都是弱势，根本没有那么多资源去生产军队。
至于中国的这6个地标，下个补丁安装后，4个都没用（翰林院，皇宫，天文钟楼，灵道），长城门只有玩奇观时才有用，唯一有用的就只剩下烈日翁城（早期保护资源点，不然游戏都玩不了）。
中国的特色单位，掷弹兵可以忽略不计（不管是1v1还是4v4，正常对局需要22+min才能够成型，基本没有机会出），火骑兵上次补丁之后就已经不行了；皇宫卫士在三时代完全无用（相较于其他重甲步兵，少一点甲），必须得四时代研究过血量科技后才能用；诸葛连弩，骑手又加了一点远防后，更难打其他国家了（本来就很难对付有骑士/重甲步兵的国家，现在对付一些不缺少食物资源的国家也难）；蜂巢炮，relic给了他一个很好看的面板，但是实际用过后，蜂巢炮比轻型投石机还弱，蜂巢炮命中率不高，并且攻速慢（存在攻速bug）。
至于朝代buff，中国进朝代是需要资源的，你得先花费资源才能进朝代，而且进入下一朝代，上一朝代所有的特色单位和特色建筑以及增益buff都会消失，只能通过灵道来解锁特色单位。
I don’t think the question should be “how long does it take until the official can pay its own cost” but it’s better to ask “would another villager, or an official be more effective now.” I definitely agree with what you’re saying about most landmarks and dynasties but I think the imperial academy is quite underrated. Same goes for Zhuge nu. You’re saying they can’t fight armoured units. I really disagree. They’re cheap enough and you can pump them out so fast that they can fight almost anything in feudal age. But yeah, I definitely agree that it is a problem that you have to pay for one dynasty and lose almost everything from the previous one
诸葛弩能应对重甲步兵（不好意思，我忘了重甲步兵移速慢，诸葛能走a操作他），但是骑士，诸葛弩没法应对，然后长弓手，诸葛弩也是没法应对（7格射程可以通过走a让诸葛基本打不到人，类似于罗斯弩炮打其他国家弩炮一样）。而且目前版本，诸葛弩也不好应对骑手，他真的没有你想象的那样，在封建时代能应对任何单位
Yeah, they certainly do have trouble fighting knights and horsemen. You would have to mix in spears and that’s kinda tricky against the French because they always mix in archers. But it can work, it’s just difficult. But fighting longbows is definetely possible. You have to get a good position for your Barbican, so you have enough time to reach Song dynasty and make enough Zhuge nu. Then you choose good fights against longbows. It’s possible, you just have to get enough of them and try to avoid fighting them under towers. You also have to build a blacksmith soon to get upgrades and rams if necessary.
看下次补丁了，relic如果还是依旧这样，强势文明不削弱，弱势文明继续削弱，建议下次改名叫蒙古时代4算了😆，啊对了还有建议再删除中国和阿巴斯
As I said in other comments, you don’t need to build all the landmarks xD
It is not a sim city game.
For 5 months most of the players who mained the Chinese civ are kinda used to building everything as I see. That is just so wrong! All the landmarks are optional, but it offers flexibility. With the imperial official Chinese can play aggressively and supervise military buildings to train units faster and collect taxes at the same time.
man they are not that cheap though 30 gold per unit? plus you need 20 food and 30 wood. and they are basically an archer… Longbows are wayyyy stronger than them and no gold cost.
So if your going to go early Zhu Nu just play english and run long bows.
Thats the point Chinas unique units are weaker than everyones elses.
Siege and Grenadiers are their strengths but who really even gets Grenis up in a game it takes 22mins of pure boom to get them…
So you are saying Chinas special unqiue unit that you have to age up twice to get access to makes its so “its possible” to be competitive lol surely taking the ■■■■ right now…
That’s what I mean. Take intelligent fights, don’t get poked too much and you can make it
Three gold miners and a tax collector are enough to get 3 Zhuge nu for every 2 longbows and still make some bank. Most English players just try throwing more longbows at you and the longer that continues the better for you, because the Chinese eco will eventually be better than the English one if both stay on 1 TC.
they are literally on a hill…
there is no hill +25% damage bonus in AOE 4 lol
& thats the hill they died on.
不带操作肯定是诸葛强，毕竟是反轻甲兵，但是大多数情况下。长弓都是走A，靠射程差能多打很多波伤害。