Rattan cost always is problem for your answer
You think the rattan archer is bad? WowâŠ
Good thing those who know what they are talking about disagree.
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No not in top 5 :)) and look at cost, 5 rattan can not do much like orther unit special horse unit, compare to arbalest economy make they flood unit easy + no upgrade full tech rattan shoot slower arbalest very much. And damage with scout, cavalry arbalest and rattan same, sign weapon too. Plum, long bow, chuko, ethio arbalest do better damage for enemy than rattan. And cost 
tell me make archer for kill rattan . 70 arbalest vs 30 rattan who win 
Arbalest Rate of Fire 2.0, Frame Delay 5
Rattan Archer Rate of Fire 2.0, Frame Delay 5
70 Ethiopian Arb vs 30 Rattan: 15 Rattans left
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. Not sure, 
shoot and run 11. Think about do arbalest can do and rattan do. Aoe need kill vill 11. You want take 1 hurkarl vs 6 arbalest and vs 6 rattan look who be, die firt
Iâll take the chances with the unit that moves 15% faster. The frame delay isnât half as bad as you imply
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The Arbs die first 
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In my opinion, vietnamese could receive a tiny buff in their elephants. They feel underwhelming sometimes. Rattan are more reliable.
Also, as a personal wish. A buff for bombard towers could be great (for lots civs). Vietnamese have bombard towers not fully upgrades so few people use them.
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Much thing can do, but they need more bonus really
Rattans kill every archer unit except ChuKoNu and Kipchak. Even so they trade pretty well, but I havenât tested those units specifically to say so concretely.
Even vs mass Longbows they do pretty well. I think thatâs saying something. Vietnamese vs Britons is a super fun matchup.
Iâm not against a small wood cost decrease, but if youâre going to buff Vietnamese again, there are more important areas. Iâd honestly give them Bloodlines; they donât even get Hussar, so their Light Cavalry are trash (even for trash).
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They kill those too, remember they have range advantage and the extra arrow accuracy is pretty off for small units like rattans
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I tested it and Rattans destroyed Kipchaks and Chus
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I mean FU rattan have the same PA as FU huskarl, 2 more than e skirms. You dont even need to run tests to know rats should beat all archers. How is this even a debate? Youâre arguing with someone who either knows little or might even be trollingâŠ
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But they already get bloodlines, they lacked husbandry at some point but they even get that, so they have decent cavalry for an Archer civ
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True, they miss blast furnace but i am ok with that
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Their cav is indeed pretty decent and they generally have quite a lot of miltary options. The only thing they really suck at is playing vs eagles and huskarls. Since they lack hc (what most civs with a similar tree have access to) they need to go for champs or cavalier or elephants all without blast furnace backed by skirms which in my experience doesnât work all to often.
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Important effected of rattan was nearly not thing in game, it only counters archer but met other unit they canât do. :)) expensive weak difficult for create , scout and knt can kill vill, and kill archer fast. While standard unit Viet not ok, = Korean⊠But economy not good, :))). So 
need change some small thing too
it does fine against infantry as well, except eagles and huskarls. not sure what youâre talking about.
Knight and hussars can kill easy
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yeah? thatâs true of most every archer in the game. guess we shouldnât build archers at all. oh wait. its one of the most popular compositions in the game.
just mix in some pikes to handle the horses, like everyone else does.
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