because a hussar has 15 more HP - which might be the difference between a win and a loss in an engagement. am i facing light cav with +2 or potentially hussars with +4 PA? big difference right?
but its far more then jus the little itty bitty change you guys make it out to be - it opens the flood gates. you’re acting like this is some MINOR Change and not something that would drastically change the entire games landscape. age 3 went for uniqueness instead of readability and look how it did compared to age 2. far inferior.
because the screen shots in the past have only shown what the civ actually gets. to show something they don’t get would be a huge change from what they have done in the past, and frankly be downright mean after getting everyone hyped up.
if anything i expect the teutonic cavalry to be a scenario only unit.
But tell me 1 of the newly added civs that did not come with a new castle skin?
Not to mention for the 100th time that this isn’t about which civ is the most unique one and that you are the only one repeatedly bringing just this up regardless.
Yes, true, but still you always know by what unit to counter…
Well… personally, I have problem with indians, all those horses and archers… but vanilla AoE3 had a clear system. Even TAD units are clear. And in case of Swedes you dont need to think twice, there will be musks
Hm… so depicted hussars are taken as a certain addition while Teutons are not… I would wait for more information.
and yet you have that. because the wings are very different. meanwhile removing wings from other civs hussars would make it hard to tell hussars apart from light cavalry.
okay but again - lets say i got some arbs. against light cav with +2 i’m going to do drastically better then i am against hussars with +4. but if i can’t tell at a glance what i am fighting because of this change, you have made the game harder to read.
and yet age 2 sold 2 million copies in 3 months. age 3 sold 2 million copies in 3 years. notice the difference there? furthermore age 2 and age 3 work drastically different - age 3 has MULTIPLYERS for bonus damage, whereas age 2 works on just set bonuses.
because the depicted hussars are shown FOR the civ they are shown with. the Teutons are not the showcased civ, the Bohemians are the showcased civ there.
again - with the sicilian and burgundian showcases - everything that was shown was added.
I’d literally be surprised (and mad) if after showcasing unique hussar skins if Poles didn’t get a unique hussar skin.
Thats not an argument, different market times, HW demands etc… I like 3 more than 2 in terms of playability. The “3” is an unrecognized gem and to be honest devs havent help mend the situation. Though, “2” is my love because of the theme, graphic and SP content.
Only to you it seems. In the moment of clustered battles all one really cares about is what unit type you are facing which would still be perfectly clear.
The devs could address this with a small visual adjustment if it turned out to be an actual issue (but rest assured, it wouldn’t).
and if it was as good as you portray it, numbers would show that it would be performing better then age 2 in DE, but that isn’t the case.
this isn’t true at all, you know how many times i’ve literally seen pros say they misjudged a situation because they didn’t get an accurate read?
and yet its so much an issue that you want to change every non polish hussar because of differentiation. irony at its finest. your own arguments contradict you.
literally right here you just blew up your own argument.
whats more similar? hussar without wings and light cav (See above where the differences are clearly minor and even @iIiAGSPiIi said it was hard to tell apart), or hussars and polish hussars with wings? i can clearly tell the difference in the latter. even at a glance.
literally your own argument was that differentiation was the possibility or ability to tell similar things apart.
hussar and polish hussar are different enough that it’s easy to see the differences (Especially because of Polish wings), but Hussar WITHOUT WINGS and Light cav are so similar that it’s hard to tell them apart.
yet you just said that it wouldn’t be an issue to tell HUSSARS WITHOUT WINGS and Light Cav apart.
so if telling those two apart is EASY then telling POLISH HUSSARS and Hussars without wings apart should be REALLY EASY, and therefore there should be NO REASON AT ALL For your change.
literally watch some pro games where they lost a battle they thought they could win. it happens frequently. here is an example.
ironic coming from the guy who says we should change non polish hussars because differentiation but then says the differentiation between non winged hussars and light cav would be fine.
way to cut out what else he says.
notice those first two words? and further on he only said he could tell the difference when next to cavaliers and paladins. which means when its next to light cav he would have a problem.
but hey, nice of you to try and hide the truth.
which is harder - telling light cav from hussars without wings or telling hussars (which have very small wings that are white all the way through), from polish hussar which have very pronounced wings that even have black tips and extend far above their heads?
if light cav and hussar without wings are already different enough to fit your criteria of “Differentiation” as is, (and even @iIiAGSPiIi agrees it is hard to tell them apart), then Polish Hussar and Regular Hussar are already different enough as is that they shouldn’t need to go through with removing wings from regular hussar. seeing as poles hussar wings have black tips and the wings extend much further over there heads, and are more curved at the top.
okay. should we remove Paladins from non Frankish civs? clearly a Frankish Element. yet the Franks fans have NO PROBLEM with the game using them for non Frank Civs. you have a completely unique skin to cover what is a Polish recognition element.
i know its the truth because i’ve seen it happen before.
yes, its harder. and it would be harder then it is to distinguish between Polish Hussars and current winged hussars, which was Clouds complaint.
because the reason for this change is just silly. wanting better differentiation, while at the same time this change would make hussars and light cav so similar that they would need further differentiation? yeah. makes no sense.
no, i point out what was said. you said it would be harder to tell the difference. that is truth.
you mean like people being personal to me? but i don’t see you calling them out for being personal do I?
as a matter of fact its quite hilarious to see this comment,
coming from a guy who has said stuff like…
and this
and this
quite ironic. but i don’t see you calling him out for being PERSONAL do I?
no, i’m pointing out the flaws in his argument. when his reasoning for this change includes “differentiation” (and yet his change would basically make hussar and light cav so similar that it would be harder to tell the difference between them then it is to tell what the difference is between current hussar and polish hussar), and “a unique polish aspect” (yet i don’t see the franks complaining about Paladins).
Trying to change a game that has never been accurate to be accurate when the game was successful because it sacrificed accuracy for gameplay and readability is not a good plan.
The best part about your “pointing out the flaws” is leaving out half of what I wrote and interpreting the rest of it to your liking.
Just as you keep throwing out your comparison of the Winged Hussars to Paladins that should only be available to Franks, disregarding that not just I have told you it’s an entirely different case.
While forgetting that there isn’t a new Frankish civ being added with a new identical unit to the current Paladin which could only create such an issue, as it’s the case with the Poles and their new Hussars.
Another thing I and others have pointed out to you several times by now is that the minor Frankish elements of the Paladin, which rather reflects any Heavily Armored Cavalry of the Late Middle Ages, is nothing like the prominent feature of the Polish Hussars’ Wings which were nowhere to be seen with other cavalry.
As always you are comparing apples and oranges and frankly I’m tired of repeating myself over and over just for you who ignores all of the good points made anyway.
And for the unlikely scenario that our genius devs wouldn’t come up with a fix to keeping Hussars distinguishable enough from Light Cavalry after removing their wings, simply giving their horses different colors would do the trick.
Once again, this is not about uniqueness but how silly it will be to have 3 nearly identical Hussar units in game and furthermore giving all other civs using Winged Hussars a Polish vibe despite how easily this could be resolved.
Leave your personal resentment against the Polish community out of this if you want to have a productive discussion.
