I don’t see the Knight line as ‘‘Knight’’ line I always view it as Heavy cavalry line, since knight, cavalier and Paldin are all common Westren European chivalric names, thus to me these are irrelevant , something called paladin in game such as Byzantine Paladin to me is not, ‘‘Paladin’’ I see it as another catephract.
If the devs altered the names of the heavy cav line , I won’t mind but this is somewhat trivial.
But to have every unit visually resemble 14th century Western European units espacially the Messo, African, ME and Asian civs is the only issue I have with the game, hense why I rectified that with my mod. Hense why I would love if the devs slowy implement region specific unit skins (Even just as a rerward for events) thus it could be optional.
The Halberd is a Swiss invention, so yes, it is a good comparison. You don’t want Burmese using a Swiss weapon, do you? This would not be historically accurate at all 11
We’re coming back to the topic of recognizability and that the units in the game have to be understanded in a general way, else the Turkic Cumans having French Paladins make zero sense.
Invention, sure. But used exclusively by the Swiss army, as in the case of Winged Hussars? I doubt that. This topic is much more about proper differentiation than historical uniqueness.
Once again I don’t think the naming of the units is the problem , merely the visual representation therof. Most civs did not have halbs but all civs did have differing verieties of spears, thus if you have a Burmese unit that looks South East Asian with a spear but is called a hlab, I personally think it could work.
doesn’t change anything - Paladins are a very Frankish thing. they were Unique to France in the same way Winged Hussars are unique to Poland. so much so that the Paladins emblem on its armor is literally the fleur de lis.
just like removing wings from non polish hussar?
but asking to remove paladins from civs that aren’t French is not. and yet you don’t like that.
and you have that. by using completely unique wings that no other civ has.
It was such a success invention that it was taken over by other armies. Actually this argument is even an argument to keep the Wings on generic Hussars, considering that other Early Modern armies adopted Light Cav formations like the Hussar like it is shown in AOE3.
Anyway, have a nice day everyone and don’t kill off each other in the comments, I’m out here.
but should we change things about every other civ to cater to a small group that supports one civ? if you were changing something that only affects Poland. all for it. but you’re asking to change EVERYONE to cater to Poland. that i am not a fan of at all. it would be like asking to remove Paladins from non Frank civs.
that is the point - it would be much harder. you can barely see it in that picture, and that’s just two units. now imagine in the middle of a battle. now its even worse. thus why the wings are important.
no, it’s not debatable. we’ve seen this happen before. no debate at all.
the name itself is the problem. its literally identified with France. even the Fleur de lis is on the armor.
they could get a unique upgrade that makes it better then a normal hussar, much like the Imperial Skirmisher - either way - point is they have 4 things going on for them that are Unique.
I mean, guys what’s the even reason here to argue about ? The tread is going wild now. I’m sure devs won’t change the Hussar, but there is no need to be emotional in just discussion. On the other hand if devs would remove wings and add more details to current Hussars, they would just do that and the best we can do is mod the game.
It was used by half of Europe. By Poles too. There was even rank in Polish army called Paladin. [ But ofcourse it’s not argument or something, just trivia ]
You keep forgetting the change means to remove a Polish characteristic from other civs with a tiny impact.
You make it sound like other civs were much less unique when just as one example, the Portuguese have the Feitoria as a special building alongside two Unique Units.
But I fail to see how this speaks against this suggestion anyway. Once again, this isn’t a uniqueness competition, but for a better differentiation of 3 similar Winged Hussar units and the removal of Polish recognition element from other civs with the Poles in game now.
hey, lets agree we disagree on this. its like a circle. To conclude I am not asking (bold font), I was trying to find a reason why it is so immensely hard to do… and I havent found it.
Nevertheless, I clearly distinguish hussar-without-wings in pack of cavaliers and paladins. Its so different unit… look at the horse without cover… I think we are catching details here…
it was more common than I thought:
You are avoiding my second question… Its debatable. If you refuse it then you should maybe leave this forum. Forum was basically about debating
And are we sure they get 4 unique units/buildings? We have seen just screenshots and thats all…
Yeah I believe we can move on with this topic because someone who doesn’t want to agree, just won’t despite all facts and reasons presented to them.
And if it catches the devs’ attention we might be lucky enough to see it happen.
except in the readability department - how do i know at a glance mid battle whether a hussar is a hussar or light cav?
even ili said it was hard to tell the difference when they were right next to eachother. throw em in battle now - how do i tell if i’m fighting light cav or hussars?
and that’s just 3 unique aspects. again. poland already has 4. how much more unique do you want?
but your better differentiation already exists - different wings for each unit. and they are very different at that.
as for the removal of a polish element from non pole civs - should we remove paladins from non frank civs then?
it isn’t hard - but it makes the game less readable and you’re heavily catering to a small portion of the playerbase, that is going to lead to others wanting their own special change.
in a pack of cavalier and paladins? absolutely. but then again, how do i know if its a light cav or hussar? i don’t. all i know is its a light cav line unit. i can’t tell if its hussar or light cav at a glance. that’s why the wings are important.
no its not. when we changed mongols and added the steppe lancer this forum was flooded by Indians fans wanting their pet change - that’s not a debate at all. no. your second was “i was wrong?” my point was - you are wrong about what would happen being debatable - its been proven already in the past what happens when a change is made for historical accuracy - it leads to more people wanting more changes for historical accuracy. they will come out of the woodwork wanting their special change too.
unique hussar skin
unique castle
unique unit
unique mill.
that’s 4 things completely unique to them. screenshots in the past showed only what they got.
ironic, coming from your side of the aisle.
fact - one of the arguments you have used is differentiation - fact - they already did this by giving you unique wings.
fact - unlike other changes in the past to civs - this change affects other civs and hinders readability.
fact - you’re asking for the devs to do even more work, when they already put in extra work to make you look unique.
fact - other civs don’t get the same preferential treatment on what makes them special.
Well, I agree in lower resolution or with lower graphic it could be harder. Still I think its managable. Btw. is it so important to know exactly what version of light cavalry branch the enemy has? I am a SP player but in AoE3 I am MP player and honestly I dont care if I face veteran or guard musk. All I need to know is I face heavy infantry.
I wouldnt afraid of it
How do you know they get unique hussar skin? How do you know its not a scenario unit used for Polish campaign? And Teutonic cavalry is the new unique unit of Teutons?
First, we are in the hussar thread 