I don’t know if I’m alone with this, but I think it could be cool to see some kind of Guarani civ, starting as the original natives but later morphing into the nation of Paraguay. It could be a nice experiment, combining elements from native, european and post-colonial civs. If it worked, it would offer something unique
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Something feels inherently wrong about a Guarani civ just straight up becoming Paraguay as the game advances, like, I can’t quite put my finger on it, but there’s something off.
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More strange is that the Mexicans can become Mayans in the mid-late game. In my opinion this would be a more correct way to add postcolonial civilizations.
while the implementation is a bit fantasy the idea is reasonable enough and is based of the cruzob rebellion.
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The Maya should be a standalone civ, not the offshoot of a revolution. So in a way this is actually worse than not having them because people will use it to argue that the Maya are already in the game and don’t deserve a full civ.
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The idea is they don’t just abruptly change into Paraguay, but gradually add European features like influences from the Jesuits. Even then, I’d probably just limit it to a Paraguay revolution.
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And that’s exactly the problem that came with the addition of Mexicans civ.
In classic AoE 3 we had these American civs:
- two indigenous civs: Lakota and Iroquois
- one highly developed pre-Columbian civ: Aztecs
In the DE version, the first South American civ has finally been added, i.e. a representative of the highly developed pre-Columbian civ: Incas. So in total we have 4 native American civs in the game: two highly developed and two indigenous.
Mexicans civ along with the possibility of the Mayan revolution became in a way a two-in-one civilization. Unfortunately, but it seems to me that this rules out the chances of adding the Mayans as a full-fledged civ. Mayans were of course a highly developed civilization. So I think that by modeling on Mexican civ, you could create Gran Colombian civ, which would have the opportunity to Muisca revolution - South American highly developed civilization.
Additionally, I think indigenous South American civs like Mapuche and Tupi would be useful. Brand new South American (Caribbean and perhaps Mesoamerican as well) Minor Civilizations should be added to this to spice up the South American maps. Thus, South America would finally have a decent representation of pre-Columbian civilizations.
When it comes to post-colonial civs, the strongest candidates are, of course, Brazilians, Argentines and the above-mentioned Gran Colombians.
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If this were to happen, it would mean that the civ Aztecs were wrongly themselves in the Imperial Age - then they would have to be Mexican…
Not that I’m too opposed to it, but I think it would bring about a huge inconsistency among the civilizations of the Americas.
I’m not too versed in Colombian history but I don’t remember a Muisca rebellion or revolution. In the case of the (in-game)Maya rev, there was a Maya people rebellion in the Cruzob region, in Yucatán, that survived one way or another until the 20th century. It’s not because the devs wanted to add the Maya to the game just because, but because there was a big historic rebellion
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It because not happen…the Muisca was conquered by the Spanish in 1537…
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Edit: Hoop below me posted a Muisca rebellion
Yes, yes there was a Muisca rebellion.. It’s just not that particularly noteworthy because it got drowned out be the larger context about anti-fiscal protests of the time.
People in this forum always jump to conclussions without checking first, smh.
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I think there is enough historical information to make the Guaraní and Paraguayans into two separate civilizations. The Guaraní civilization could be based on the so called “Jesuit Republic of Paraguay”, a civilization built around some thirty “Reductions” or communities of Guaraní natives with Jesuitical missions. As mentioned above they could combine elements of the Jesuits and the Guaraní. They could have defensive bonuses since they fought off raids by the Portuguese (the Bandeirantes). This Guaraní-Jesuit civilization could also enjoy economic bonuses related to their cultivation and trade of yerba mate (a traditional tea). The Paraguayans on the other hand could be a militaristic civilization with offensive bonuses over economic advantages. This military orientation would be based on the strong Paraguayan army during the cataclysmic War of the Triple Alliance (also called the Paraguayan War). It took the combined forces of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (the Triple Alliance) to defeat Paraguay.
Here is an excellent proposal for a Guaraní civilization made in this forum a long time ago.
And here is a nice informative video about the Paraguayan War.
I would like a campaign of this, together with the independence of Colombia.
You could even make a mod of this. Hell, you can make a mod set in the 19th century, and given that there were a lot of wars of liberty then you could call it, I don’t know, Battles of Freedom
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But these is a Comunero Rebellion from Criollo citizens,not Muisca rebellion.
Would can be only Paraguay…
Yeah,or with historical battles will be fine…
Bro literally just read the Ambrosio Pisco article on wikipedia. This is literally what I said in the post, it was a Muisca uprising amidst a greater context.
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Ok,maybe can be like the Rebellion of Tupac Amaru card…
It has to be called “Triple Alliance War” because of the other war
That video is informational, such as a last minute essay done for the sole purpose of passing a class;
It has many holes in the narrative, errs on oversimplification on some issues and sensationalizes others. After all it is an abridged ausländer point of view, therefore it fails to communicate the complexities of the political context that led to the war, its quirks and what were its long term effects for all countries involved (sole winners; banks of england) nonetheless its barely decent BUT
Using sad music at the end of the video fits badly with the reality of PY history, after the biggest war of that time, it was once again part of the second biggest war in South America (Chaco War), all in less than a hundred years, from all that came the saying;
“War is comfortable for the Paraguayan soldier”
Amen
I made a full Chile civ design for the Definitive Edition, which can be seen here.
Features
- Starts with 6 Settlers, 300 food, 200 wood, 100 Coin and 1 General.
- Choose Federal States to advance in Age and add new Home City Cards to the Deck, starting with fewer cards (21) than other civilizations.
- Each home city shipment brings a random crate of resources.
- National Guard units: Yungayo (Roto) Huaso (Lleulle)
Technology Tree
- Town Center - No unique features, no Revolutions, Trains
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Settler
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Ransoms -
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General: Same as Mexico and the United States General. In Industrial Age it unlocks the Pistol Attack, where he shoots two shots that deal 30 damage, with a cool down of 45 seconds.
- House
- Market
- Mill
- Estate
- Livestock Pen
- Animita - Rather than a base experience trickle, they receive resources when trade units pass by, if built next to a trade route, they are small and fragile. Unlock a new one each age, technologies are researched for free within, at a very, very slow pace. - Trains
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Priest
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Researches -
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Mission Fervor
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Town Watch
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Gas Lightning
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Código de Bello - Ships 500 XP for every 10 minutes of the game time (up to 30 minutes)
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Redoubts
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Standing Army
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Standing Cavalry
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Señor de la Agonía - Receive a Settler per Settler lost this game. (Requires Cuestion del Sacristan shipment)
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Cuasimodo - Cavalry units get +15% attack and hit points. Lleulles use 1 more pop, Carretas Blindadas 1 less. (Requires Cuestion del Sacristan shipment)
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La Tirana - Replaces all your Priests with Priestesses. (Requires Cuestion del Sacristan shipment)
- Salitrera - Can be built on top of Mines to automatically extract coin from them, can also be used to convert the coin on the mine into food and wood over time. Hold Capitol upgrades. Build Limit: 4
- Weight of Night - The next Federal State you research, or are researching, will Age Up 50 seconds faster and grant twice as many XP crates. (Chilean equivalent to State Religion/Statehood).
- Barracks - Trains
- Güeñi: Tough melee infantry with area damage, good against cavalry. (II)
- Roto: Early Skirmisher/Grenadier hybrid unit. Has a charged grenade attack complimented by a a normal attack with similar stats to the Landwehr. Has powerful siege. (II)
- Batallón Cívico: Chilean unique musketeer with the “Chupilca del Diablo” ability, which temporarily increases their speed, allows them to ignore snare, and locks them in a melee mode that’s better against infantry than cavalry. (II)
- Cantinera: Chilean dedicated skirmisher, who can also heals units while in combat. (III)
- Stable - Trains
- Lleulle: Cheap, spammable cavalry that only occupies 1 pop space. Similar multipliers to the Naginata Rider, on a smaller scale. (II)
- Carreta Blindada: Very powerful, tanky ranged cavalry (Somewhere between a German War Wagon and a Howdah), that boost the attack rate of nearby unit (does not stack) and can absorb attacks to nearby units like the Papal units. (III)
- Artillery Foundry - Trains
- Falconet
- Culverin
- Mortar
- Horse Artillery
- Petard
- Dock - Trains
- Fishing Boat
- Sloop
- Steamer
- Frigate
- Ironclad
- Arsenal
- Pulperia - Rather than trickle coin like the Saloon, you can toggle between food, wood or coin trickle, at a similar rate - Trains
- Bandolero: Replaces the Highwayman for the Chileans. Which is available on all maps. Beyond the regular features, like mounting, dismounting, Viper’s Eye and Outgunning, they also have the Mountain Hideout ability, which allows them to move back directly to your homecity drop point.
- Brujo: Replaces the Inquisitor for the Chileans. Which is available on all maps. Rather than their normal attack against units, they can convert enemy units.
- Guaitequero: Replaces the Pirate for the Chileans. Which is available on all maps. They have a ranged attack by default, which causes fire damage after the target is hit.
- Walls (and Gates)
- Outpost
- Fort - Trains
- Güeñi
- Roto
- Batallon Civico
- Cantinera
- Lleulle
- Carreta Blindada
I even went out of my way to design the Homecity shipments, including the Federal (Provincial?) Age up options:
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