India - Needs a complete overhaul to split it into Mughals, Mysoreans, and Marathas
Portugal - give em something other than Organ Guns
Inca - Their original design of being an Aztec clone crammed full of gimmicks with no connection reality is truly baffling. The real life Inca were an adaptable people who were able to master European weapons before their eventual final collapse from disease and Spanish conquest.
Ottomans - On their own Ottomans are fine but I think there’s opportunity to create a new template of “Islamic Civs” and Ottomans could be adjusted to fit that. Moroccans, Omanis, Persians, and Uzbeks, could all fit this mold. Mughals, Hausa, and Ottomans could also be half Islamic and half Asian/African/European. They could share features like Emir heroes, Caravanserai instead of Taverns, Mosques, and Bombards instead of Falconets.
Other than these, there are some reworks that should happen that should affect multiple civs.
Scrap the “fur trade” with the tribal marketplace. The fact that Hauds need to build an outhouse next to a mine to get coin turns off most people from playing them.
None of the rest of the civs really need a major overhaul. Just a few updated cards to give them access to some of the new units that have been added to the game.
Complete India rework would be my desired one, but I can only see it being reworked as the ‘Mughal Empire’ as a free update for the base game. If we want the Marathan and Mysoreans in any form, they’d have to be separate DLC civs. As been mentioned, ‘India’ is just the British East India Company - it would be far more appropriate as the Mughal Empire with a ‘Revolution’ (renamed to something more appropriate) when allied with the British called ‘Company Rule’. Then you can bring in Sepoys (Bandukchi would be their standard musketeers) and whatnot as they were native soldiers trained under foreign officers/rule.
Again, good suggestion, especially with the little changes such as those for the Taverns.
As for Asian monks, yeah make them them healers, the monasteries equal to churches and give them equivelents to taverns. Asian leaders or ‘war heros’ for their hero units.
I think that devs wont split india. Civs in AoE3 arent like AoE2 ones. Doing that would erase the identity of the current civ cause HC cards would be removed or units changed, same for wonders.
In case they share some units as you are saying the uniqueness of the civ would dissapear
Oh absolutely, considering they are part of the original base game they’re totally deserving of a much needed rework first.
They could do with Falconets (after all, historically they used them greatly and produced them too).
Organ Guns are a little too old for this era unless used in Eastern Europe (Poles, Cossacks and Russians used them in the earlier part of AoE3’s timespan), so either rename them Volley Guns as a very easy fix (Volley Guns appear throughout, but never huge amounts) or give the Portuguese the Berços - a Portuguese swivel gun and crew. Functionally it would be anti infantry firing grapeshot at medium to close range, though not multiple like the Organ Gun.
They can rename cards like “British East India Company” and “The Raj”.
India also has the most bland wonders around. A fort, a peace treaty, and a crappy aura aren’t much to miss. And that’s assuming they’d all follow the wonder template.
They could also preserve elements of India in each civ. For example, Mughals could play similarly to early game India and Maratha could play similarly to treaty/late game India.
I prefer the current India over 2 civs that are learners of everithing and masters of nothing.
Removing wonders from asian civs doesnt make sense as its their feature, thats for another game. Most of us fell in love with the game since 2005, yall cant remove everithing and call it defenitive edition if is unrecognizable.
Just give and rename some cards as every civ is getting in each patch to be more accurate, but dont destroy the civ
-In my opinion, India and the ottomans need major changes but even if they make a Persia dlc it would be good if they did the rework there, maybe the next could be ports or dutch because honestly, they don’t need big changes.
I think they should leave the Germans last since they need to be remade to make them more identifiable, not like the strange mix they are right now between Prussians, Austrians, and Poles with Czech units etc…
I don’t think that dividing India between Marathas and Mughuls is a good idea, I think that the current vision of India is identifiable with the current conception of the Indian nation. Probably adding the Mysorean rockets and various other changes would suffice.
