-Standard Poll -Regarding Nomad being an entirely separate game mode that should not be inside the standard starts random script map queue. Among other suggestions - Standard Poll -

They thought you were one of his account. If i remember correctly he was called Icarus and spammed that thing everywhere

Sounds about right, was probably the same guy

who would have thought… Nomad clearly winning again in the map poll

For the first 800 votes by the more active 800 forum members that’s never surprising, however leading up to 1400 I’ve yet to see a 1 vs 1 poll where it actually manages to stay even close to the top 3, being beaten by even socotra.

I think we should start calling each other racial slurs. Then this topic will be closed. :stuck_out_tongue:

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you keep claiming that, but i havent seen any evidence of it. I couldnt find a single poll with that many voters (i assume you mean voters, not votes), usual voter numbers are 600-800, here are some with relatively high voter numbers. And hey, would you look at that, Nomad maps still winning:

so you are claiming that Nomad is unpopular ‘once enough votes come in’, but that many votes seem to never happen

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you have to go back to 2020 to see vote numbers as high as he is talking about…so his data is basically a year and a half old.

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Sorry mate but i dont stoop down to this


As well as mid '2021

stop making stuff up. i searched the forum for the 1v1 ranked pool votes. this is the one with the highest number of voters (almost 900) in the second half of 2021: 🗳 VOTE NOW! 1v1 Ranked Map Rotation - August 24

as you can see Nomad still won.

(there is a chance i missed a vote somewhere, but considering most others had <700 voters, it’s unlikely there is one with 1400 voters)

where do you get your ‘data’ from?

Can we add a separate game mode for Mangrove Jungle too while we’re at it? 111 jk, don’t do it.

Imo i think Nomad should be permanently part of the ranked mode, like arabia and arena and BF. Why create even more separate modes to break the playerbase even more?

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For my argument

September '20

Sept '20

Oct '20

May '21

Feb '21

Aug '20

Jul '20

Against my argument

Jan '21

Mixed/very close results (difference of or within 1%)

Nov '20

There are also quite a few cases of nomad losing heavily with only 600ish votes, so I’m thinking that those for and against switch out in how active they are in the voting pools more often than I expected and judging by the votes they both have large numbers, either that or this was when african clearing was a new map for nomad and interest was high.(referring to the one against the argument)
I did not post those here as I was looking for those above the 1k threshold.

This one interests me:

2714 voters - no nomad in the pool - however mega random(contains nomad within itself from time to time) is in the pool and tends to have similar popularity - yet mega random is nowhere near the top 3.

all of these are old. not a single one from ‘late 2021’ which has Nomad losing.
all but 2 of your ‘examples’ dont even have Nomad up for vote, but are other maps with Nomad start

so your correlation of ‘more votes, Nomad is more likely to lose’ is very questionable.

If i were to hazard a guess, it’s that the number of votes dropped after the ban/favourite system was introduced, so people stopped caring about these votes since they can just ban whatever they dislike. Which is also a hint what you should do if you don’t like a map: ban it


Well, that’s a blatant lie. Nomad is nomad regardless of what map it appears in. And also, mid 2021 was my corrected statement. Regardless, it refutes the claim that my data is all from 2020. And it also refutes your claim that ‘there’s no proof or any games above 1k votes’

And even if my data was only from 2020, I would trust it much more than the current dates due to the horrendously low participation in votes.

As for my general ‘banning’ preference. Being forced to ban a map because it starts as an entirely separate game mode feels allot more like a ban that’s forced to be wasted rather than focusing the very limited ban numbers on something you might actually consider playing within that particular queue.

Ok. Can you stop now? It’s so repetitive, from both sides, no-one is ever going to change their view, and most people don’t agree with you. @anon63664082, can this topic be closed?


the topic remains open/active for 1 month to allow for proper time in the poll. I’m certain that more arguments could be presented by the opponents. Ones that aren’t so easily refuted.

No. This topic actually needs to close. The opponents have already presented arguments that prove you wrong, but you don’t want to accept them. Besides, as you yourself have established, not many polls actually get enough votes.

Not many polls are given more than 3 days, hardly enough time. Name one argument that has successfully contradicted me.

I don’t play or practice heavy water/naval maps, yet I don’t think they need a separate game mode or ELO.

People will often practice what they love most, and if you don’t practice nearly as much as them in whatever passion that may be, chances are good you’ll lose horribly 99% of the time if you face them.

If Nomad maps are presently a weakness for you, I’m sorry if it means you need to practice Nomad when you don’t want to… but it’s part of the game. I don’t feel it is so vastly different of a game mode than a standard game that solidly practicing 10 or 20 times won’t make you a worthy opponent; especially if you already have a solid foundation of AoE skills, which it sounds like you have. Same with water maps. I don’t really like water maps, but I should probably commit some practice and research time to them if I don’t want to lose 99% of the time I play them.

If Nomad truly needs to be a different game mode, then yes, it should have its own ELO. Same with all other game modes. I’ll call them sub-ELOs… one ELO per category. And there’d also be an overall/overarching ELO rating, though, that would be a score based on a combination of every game mode in AoE.

  • So, if you play every game mode and are great at every one (Regicide, Treaty, Nomad, etc.), then you’d have a great overall ELO rating.
  • If you only play Nomad, or only play normal mode, your sub-ELO may be great for these categories you isolate yourself to, but your overall ELO rating won’t be that great because you never play Regicide, Treaty, etc.
  • In the end, a great overall ELO score would truly show that you’ve mastered the AoE game as a whole. Whereas, good sub-ELOs will show you mastered only a particular game mode or two if you only play that mode or two.

I like this in theory – because should AoE’s ELO really be based solely on if you’re good at Arabia or not? – but I realize there probably aren’t enough players who want to deviate from normal mode to adequately find ranked matches for all the various game modes, if this were to be implemented. ALT+F4’ers would help make this not work, too :slight_smile:


please dont accuse me of lying. what did i say that was a lie?

no, what the data shows is that Nomad is a popular map. Land Nomad and Water Nomad less so.
When people say ‘Nomad’ they mean the map, because that’s what the map is called. other maps with nomadic starts have their own names.

not what I said.

or because it suits your narrative. Considering the number of votes is only about 1/2 of previous polls, it’s more likely that preferences have changed than that this is a statistical error.

this exact argument applies to Arena for me. you dont see me demanding the world revolves around me and have it removed from the queue because i cant play it. arena is more like a separate game mode if compared to arabia, than Nomad is if compared to some hyprid map