Which factions do you thin should be added... from Late Antiquity?

  • Roman (Roman Empire/Western Roman Empire)
  • Gallic (Gallic Empire, Kingdom of Soissons)
  • Palmyran (Palmyrene Empire)
  • Pict (Kingdom of Fortriu)
  • Cumbrian (Alt Clut/Starthclyde, Elmet, Goddodin, Rheged)
  • Cornish (Dumnonia)
  • Saxon (Kingdom of Mercia, Kingdom of Northumbria, Kingdom of ####### Old Saxony, Duchy of Saxony, Electorate of Saxony)
  • Vandal (Vandal Kingdom)
  • Lombard (Lombard Kingdom)
  • Suebi (Suebi Kingdom of Galicia)
  • Alamans (Kingdom of Alamannia)
  • Alan (Kingdom of Alania)
  • Avar (Avar Khaganate, Kingdom of Sarir, Avar Khanate)
  • Armenian (Arsacid Kingdom of Armenia, Bagratid Kingdom of Armenia…)
  • Göktürk (Göktürk Khaganate)
  • Hephtalite (Imperial Hephtalites)
  • Alchon (Alchon Huns/Hunas)
  • Gupta (Gupta Empire)
  • Xianbei (Northern Wei, Dai, Tuyuhun…)
  • Yemeni (Himyarite Kingdom, Rasulid Dynasty)
  • Other(s)
  • I don’t know
  • I don’t care
  • None

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Second poll, how many factions from this time period do you think should be added?

  • None
  • 1-2
  • 3-4
  • 5+
  • I don’t know
  • I don’t care

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Hey, I’m back with a new poll, this time centered around a time period rather than a geographical area. I think everyone here knows by now that Return of Rome is coming at some point during 2023, and the Romans are pretty much confirmed as a civ due to some leaks. But we can’t yet be sure they will come alone rather than together with another Late Antiquity/Early Middle Ages civ.
I tried to be as exhaustive as possible, extending the game’s timeline way further than I probably should have so it could even encapsulate the Crisis of the Third Century, yet I don’t personally want civs who ceased being relevant before the fofth century and I would even be quite annoyed if some of the civs I offer made it into the game. I just wanted them to be there in case someone would specifically like them. Don’t hesitate to suggest a civ I forgot about or to ask me why I put one instead of another. And as usual, please stay civil in the discussions.

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I think the Yemenis and Gupta would be interesting since the Yemenis are really longlasting and the Guptas were really powerful (and Vandalswould be really fun) but really, the Gokturks are the only ones that I think are needed. Theres nothing that can represemt Gokturks, early Uyghurs and other related turkic group from North East Asia, the Tatars are too diferent (Tatars are islamic and mongolised) and Cumans are too far away. They are also extremely influential since their state went from the black sea to China

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I voted for all the ones I’ve done brainstorms for, plus the Romans (those being the Armenians (although I specifically had them represent medieval Armenia only), the Alans (again, specifically only medieval Alania), the Avars, and, most recently, the Lombards).

Arent Lombards just Italians?

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No, they’re Germanic. Think of them as being to the Italians what the Goths are to the Spanish.

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Yeah but arent Italians a direct evolution of Lombards?

Like 1arent they called lombard kingdoms and stuff like that?

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Sort of, but if the Goths and Spanish can coexist, so can the Italians and Lombards.
The Lombards had their own kingdom anyway.

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Id rather not go to europe again after this next dlc for a while. 3 of 4 dlcs already euro based as is. Africa. Asia. Americas. Middle East. All need love

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I think the Caucasus should get some love first. All the other regions in the world (except Oceania) have at least some representation.

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Yeah, I put the Armenians in here because they were relevant during Late Antiquity, but if they appear in the game it will most certainly be in their medieval form. Honestly Armenians are a little bit odd in this poll, but I felt like I couldn’t not include them.

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South Africa doesnt have civs either tbh

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Well, uh… a good chunk of those civs are Asian?

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But Africa in general at least does. We should have expansions that add civs from completely unrepresented regions before going back and adding more.

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Caucasus < Southern Africa in everything but records

Southern Africa is as much of a region as the Caucassus

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How? The Caucasus region is way more relevant to the Middle Ages, and particularly civilizations already in the game.

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I actually posted an Armenians concept in my user blog on the wiki if you’re interested in seeing that.

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The Roman Empire is adequately represented by their eastern counterpart. The Kingdom of Soissons is the rump state of Western Roman Empire, not to mention it lasted only 25 years without having much impact.

The Saxons are also represented well by the Goths except maybe Stone Walls. The only problem is that they don’t share names.

The reasons given below are subjective.

We have saturated steppe/nomadic civs, I don’t think much design space is left there. Mongols, Turks, Huns, Cumans, Tatars, and Magyars. The Berbers are also a nomadic civ, although not a steppe one.

We also have too many Turkic civs - Turks (Oghuz), Tatars, Cumans, Bulgarians. I feel they are adequately represented in game.

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I mean that it was a richer, more populous and larger region, but I was mostly talking about how I think saying that all of Africa is a single region comparable to the Caucasus is silly. Southern Africa is a region too, and we could even consider the Gulf of Guinea to be an unrepresented region too.

Also the Swahili and Zimbabweans were very relevant for the world trade

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Eh Turks are their own language family, they are pretty diverse

I agree on the Romans or Gauls tho

The post will be perfect for AoE1 to be fair. They also have a lack of civs.

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