The very long analysis of all my polls that no one asked for

As most of you probably remember, I have made quite a few polls in the past few months/years regarding the future content you wished for. The first one was for AoE1, but here I want to focus exclusively on AoE2 (RoR not included). I’ve thought for a long time about going back on all those polls to reflect on the results, the evolution of the game since all of this started and what we can hope or expect for the future of the game. And also the future of my polls. I absolutely don’t know whether or not anyone but me may be interested, but I thought to myself at worst people will just not read this (and hopefully go on with their life rather than flame the thread) and at best we may have some interesting conversations.

Note before starting: There are several times when the results of those polls coincide with what the devs decided to do. Now I don’t think they read those threads and were influenced by the conversations, as in all those cases things were most likely decided before our votes (you’re free to say otherwise if you want to boost my ego, but you should be prepared to face the consequences if I become too full of myself), but it still shows that the wishes of the community can be quite close to what the devs already see as good ideas.

Additional note, when I talk about “Honorable mentions”, I’m referring to civs which were not in the top 5 but received at least 10% of the votes.



My very first poll was about what the focus of the next dlc (after Dawn of the Duke) should be. I will probably do the same poll (but differently) after RoR is released, but I don’t know yet if I should rather necro it or create a new thread. As you can see, the top position was occupied by South Asia, which was indeed the focus of the next dlc. It was the very first correct prediction from the community, so yay for us :^p

It was followed by the Caucasus and North and Central America with an equal number of votes, and then East and Southeast Asia and South and Central Africa (in other words, the Bantu area). Europe was just outside of the top 5 and was followed by South America, Russia and the Middle East. Finally, East and West Africa and the Pacific Ocean all received only 1% of the votes.

I have to point out however that those results don’t necessarily align with those of other polls. In the one about the Americas, we have South American civs as the first, third and fifth most requested ones, and in the African poll we have two East African civs in the top 5. But maybe I’m going too fast.

If I did the poll today, I would probably split the world into smaller parts, add non regional options (time periods or different themes), replace the meme option “The one place that hasn’t been corrupted by capitalism: Space!” with the now regular “None” (or maybe I should present both options?) and add for each option examples of new civs in brackets, as some people pointed out to me that they didn’t understand what some options stood for.

We had 86 voters (with obviously an equal number of votes, since I made the mistake of not releasing the poll as multichoice).



The South Asian poll came next because I had noticed it was the first result in the first one and also because I really, really wanted it to be a thing. The top 5 was, as follow: Tamil/Chola, Bengali, Afghan, Rajastani/Rajput and Nepali + Odia/Oriya with an equal percentage of votes (though the last two came after the neutral options “I don’t know” and “I don’t care”). As you may have noticed, it came very close to what DoI brought to us. Tamils are the main civ under the Dravidian umbrella (the tech tree is clearly designed after them and the campaign follows a Chola king), the Gurjaras and the Rajputs are arguably the same thing, I don’t need to explain the Bengali, and even though the Hindustani are technically the old Indian civ, the Afghans are still under their umbrella at this point.

Honorable mentions can go to the Assamese, Kannadiga and Punjabi, which makes me think if the devs ever want to revisit the subcontinent (which is far from a given), they should probably start with a Bengali split adding Oriya (or Kalinga, as the name seems more popular) and Assamese. However, if I had to do this poll again, I would probably add some other options such as the Manipuri or the Maghadi (the second one probably has more potential, as it would serve to represent the late Gupta empire). I would also give for each proposed civ at least one example of a medieval state to represent them during the time period, as I did in most of the following polls. I would like to remove some civs such as the Marathi which aren’t relevant in this time period, but since there are always people to vote for them I guess they should stay.

The only two civs to receive no votes in this poll were the Bihari and Sindhi, which is probably not so surprising as they are relatively obscure.

We had 52 voters, which is the second lowest in terms of results. Maybe because the focus was on a smaller region than any other poll.

Finally, most peoples voted for only two new civs to be added to the region, which for once didn’t align with the devs’ plans since we got three.



We then have the Western Asian poll, which included the Caucasus, Middle East, Central Asia and Pontic Steppe all at once because even though together they offer a lot of possibilities, separately there’s little possibilities for most of them.

Somewhat predictably, the Caucasian civs dominate the poll, with the Georgians and Armenians in first and second position respectively. They are followed by the Afghans (which were both in this poll and the South Asian one as they are relevant in both regions, and they are in third place both times so it seems they are relatively popular), Kazars and Khitans (which will both make a comeback in later polls.

Honorable mentions for the Göktürks, Alans, Avars, and the quite controversial Crusaders. The most popular candidates for a Saracen split were the Omani and Yemeni, with 8% of votes each. Azeri, Bedouins, Circassians and Tajiks all had zero votes.

If I had to do this poll again, I would NOT include the dates at which relevant states existed, it made every poll so much longer… I would also probably change some of the options in Central Asia and make it clearer which civs would be split from which umbrella.

We had 70 voters here, which is quite average.

Most people voted for two civs to be added, which makes the Caucasian dlc an even stronger candidate.



For the East Asian poll, I have to point out @KarstHillFort77 made his own thread a few days earlier than me. I still decided to do my own thread though, as I thought some options were missing (including the neutral and none ones). The top 5 is relatively similar anyway, except for the fifth position which is the Chams in my Poll and the Polynesians in the other one. I grouped the traditional East Asia with Southeast Asia, as well as Oceania since there were not enough civs to do a separate poll for the last one (though I hesitate to group them with the Americas instead and I could maybe have included more choices such as Maoris and Hawaiians).

The top 5 (in my poll) was as follow: Tibetans, Siamese/Thai, Jurchens, Khitans (again) and Chams. Honorable mentions to the Göktürks (also again), Tanguts, Uyghurs, Tongans/Polynesians and Lao. Unsurprisingly the main possibilities for future dlc seem to be either a north Chinese split or a continental Southeast Asian dlc, but an Himalayan dlc with Tibetans and Nepali may also be a possibility (Kashmiri may be interesting too, but their achievements don’t seem to be well-known). It’s worth noting that 8% voted for a split between Malays and Javanese, but aside from the Chams no other Malay civ received more than 5% of the votes. Shan and Sulawesi received 0 votes. If I had to do this poll again, I think I would put less Malay options and more Oceanian ones.

We had 94 voters here, which is the second highest number (and the higher for regional dlcs).

Most people voted for 3 civs to be added.



I’m not sure which poll I did next, as I released the last three regional ones the same month and when it’s too old you only have the month and year. I think it was the African one.

The top 5 was as follow: Shona, Nubians, Swahili, Congolese, Somali. Interestingly enough, West Africa is entirely out of it despite having quite a few interesting candidates. But I have to say, if we exclude West Africa this top is not surprising at all for someone who knows a little bit of African history. It’s also worth noting that some of the honorable mentions received more than 20% votes (up to 28%), which forces me to create the very very honorable mentions for the Edo (Benin), Songhai, Kanuri (Kanem-Bornu) and Soninke (Ghana empire). Regular honorable mentions include the Yoruba, Hausa and Vandals. It makes me think maybe I should have split Africa into two parts for this poll. The Imbangala, Mossi and Nyasa received 0 votes (which is relatively surprising for the Mossi). It’s the first time since I started giving example of states for each civ that I didn’t include the dates of foundation and destruction, as I often couldn’t find them, and to be honest I should have worked this way from the start.

We had 82 voters for this poll, and as you may have noticed the results were quite different.

Most people voted for 3 to 4 civs to be added (it’s also when I started grouping the results for the second poll, which I think work better), but I think many wouldn’t complain if we got more since this continent is still quite underrepresented.



The American poll was a little bit of a mess, as I spent too much time researching civs that may civ, adding and removing candidates several times (mostly in North America and the Amazon), and it probably resulted in my biggest oversight with the Muisca not being included.

The top 5 include the Chimus, Zapotecs, Mississippians, Mapuche and Tarascans. There are also very very honorable mentions again with the Wari, Iroquois and Tlaxclatecs. As for the honorable mentions, we have Toltecs, Apaches, Mixtecs, Pueblos and Sioux. Obviously, the missing Muisca may have taken some votes from a few of those options had they been in the poll, and maybe they would even have been in the top. Finally, we have a record number of 0 votes with the Algonquins, Cañari, Caribs, Creeks, Powhatans, Qulla, Shuhars, Cherokee and Hurons. Anyway, the Meso and Andine civs obviously dominate the poll, but it seems some people would really like North American Natives too. The Amazon, however, doesn’t seem to attract so many people.

All results should also be mitigated by the fact that we only had 50 voters. Also, most people only voted for 1 to 2 civs.



Europe was the end of our world trip and oh boy was it divisive. To begin with, it was the only time “None” was the main result for both polls, and no civ received more than 30% votes. But still some may still want to know the results, the top 5 was Venetians, Vlachs/Romanians, Swiss, Serbians and Croatians. Only the Kazars and the Flemish/Frisians/Dutch receive an honorable mention, but on the other hand only the Pomeranians and Rhenish received 0 votes. I have to point out though that the European fatigue was probably at its highest at this point, with roughly half of the civs in game already being European, the last two dlc being entirely focused on Europe, and the previous one being split between Europe and Central Asia, and many debates about whether or not there should be new European civs (or new non-European civs) causing a lot of drama in the community. Maybe the results would be quite different now, or right after DoI’s release.

Finally, we had 62 voters for this poll. Most of those who didn’t vote for no new European civs picked 3 to 4.



I then switched to an entirely different concept when RoR was announced, with polls focusing not on regions but rather on time periods. There were already a lot of talks about whether or not the Romans should be included in the game or in this dlc, and I wondered if we could have other candidates so I started with Late Antiquity. In insight, I should probably have included the Early Middle Ages to a certain point (probably until the end of the reign of either Justinian or Heraclius) and avoided going earlier than the battle of Frigidus, but at the time I thought “Hey, why not go as far as the Crisis of the Third Century?”

I should also have made it clearer that the poll was only about a dlc focusing on this time period, thus even if the civs were relevant after they would mostly be modeled after how they appeared at this point in time, which would maybe have changed some peoples’ votes. But to be honest, I’m not sure most voters would have cared…

On another note, it’s the return of dates of existence for the example states, as I thought I may need a proof that those civs actually existed during the relevant time period.

Even though most people voted for “None” in the poll about the number of civs, this time it’s only the fourth pick when it comes to civ choices, and the first two are slightly above 40% votes. The top 5 include the Romans (not so surprising considering the main focus, but it’s worth noting they were at 6% in the European poll and to many people they should never have been even considered…), Armenians, Vandals, Saxons, and our good old friends the Göktürks. Honorable mentions: Avars, Lombards, Xianbei, Gallics, Yemeni, Alans and Guptas (which I should maybe have called Maghadi). 0 votes for the Cornish and ########## which didn’t really surprise me.

Aside from the Romans who ended up being added to the game and the Armenians which should probably be added in a Caucasian dlc at some point anyway, it seems there’s a possible interest for a dlc about Early Medieval Germanic kingdoms (Vandals, Saxons, possibly Lombards), and even though they are rarely the most requested civ, the Göktürk always have their fanbase when they are mentioned, and maybe the could come together with other Early Steppe civs such as the Avars and/or the Xianbei.

There was an all time record of 97 voters for this poll (possibly because of the hype around RoR, or at least it being topical), and aside from the “None” votes it’s the first time the majority asked for 5+ civs, which shows how divisive the question was.



Finally, the last poll (to this date) was about civs from the Early Modern Era, focusing mostly on civs who arguably had a golden age between 1450 and 1600 and a few which only appeared during this time period. It was not the easiest poll to do, as I didn’t expect to have such a large variety of choices, and I ended up cutting some options arbitrarily to avoid having too many choices. It also rubbed some people the wrong way that I didn’t include their country because I thought it was at its peak earlier in the Middle Ages. Also, most if not all options also appear in regional polls. Anyway, the results were quite split apart but the “None” option is low enough that I wouldn’t necessarily see this concept as a bad idea… Though as I’ll explain later, there are other reasons why I’m still uncertain about its viability.

The top 5 is quite surprising this time: Swiss, Somali, Swahili, Wlach/Romanians and Congolese. The Thai/Siamese are alone in the very very honorable mentions, but we have a record number of regular honorable mentions with the Dutch, Chimu, Venetians, Edo, Mapuche, Austrians, Hausa, Tarascans, Songhai, Swedes, Bavarians, Muisca and Tlaxcaltecs. There were 0 votes for the Gujarati and Tuaregs.

Now, the main reason why I’m unsure is that in my head, the best way to do such a dlc would be with 4 new civs, one from each continent in the game, and the results seem to be a little bit too split apart for that with only two continents in the top 5 and the first American civ being number 8. It may not be such a huge problem though, especially with most people voting for 3 to 4 new civs.

Also, this last poll had 81 voters.



In summary, I think the safest bets for future dlc would be Caucasus, Himalaya (if Tibetans can make it into the game), North China, Indochina, East Africa, Bantu area and Central Asia.

On an almost final note, the only civs to reach 50% votes in the polls they appeared in were, from top to bottom: The Tibetans for East Asia (68% people willing to anger the CCP), the Georgians for West Asia (65%), the Tamils for South Asia (59%), the Siamese for East Asia again (57% in my poll, 54% in @KarstHillFort77’s poll), the Shona for Africa (56%) and finally the Jurchen in East Asia again (exactly 50%).

On a true final note, I have to reiterate the fact that the censorship is extremely annoying and random and prevented me from writing the name of several real life countries and civilizations.

I hope some people enjoyed the long read (or at least parts of it), especially considering how much time I’ve spent writing and formatting it.


Very interesting poll results! Do you happen to remember if the Alans were included and, if they were, how they did?

Yes! The Alans were included in the West Asian, European AND Late Antiquity polls, in which they scored 10% (7 voters), 6% (3-4 voters) and 10% again (9-10 voters) respectively.
If you want to compare this with other people from the same area (Caucasus + Pontic Steppe), they are systematically after the Georgians, Armenians and Kazars when they are in the same polls, and they are usually at a tie with the Avars except for Late Antiquity in which the Alans are far behind. They also beat the Pechenegs in the West Asian poll but are in a tie with them in the European one.

In case you missed it, each part’s title is actually a link to the associated poll.

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I just want Nepalis, Tibetians and Bhutanese please


Because they just love their culture getting represented in anything.

Its like the time a Nepali guy won Indian idol or whatever because the whole of Nepal voted for him

Prashant Tamang - Wikipedia.


Very interesting!

Incidentally, all four Caucasus civs you mentioned are the four I chose for a made-up expansion on the wiki. I suspect that the devs might pick them if they do a full expansion instead of the mini-ones, as the four of them together interacted a ton and there’s quite a lot of campaign potential.

Maybe if the entire Tibetan community expresses their support, the Chinese government will see how much they want their culture in the game and won’t throw a hissy fit over it.

Please don’t… way to small a moutanous kingdoms.

We need 3 or 4 middle eastern civs and some barbarian from China northern border

It’s not only important to know which civ gets first place, but how many people took the poll. Late Antiquity seems to be the poll with the most answers, 97, and the WRE takes the first place. But, in the Europe poll, the WRE got 6% of the votes.

Of notice, after that, in order, we have

  1. Which factions do you think should be added to East Asia, with 94
  2. Which area of the world do you think the next dlc should focus on? with 86
  3. Which factions do you think should be added to Africa?, with 82
  4. Which factions do you think should be added: Early Modern Era edition, with 81
  5. Which factions do you think should be added to West Asia with 70
  6. Which factions do you think should be added to Europe, with 63
  7. Which factions do you think should be added to South Asia with 52
  8. Which factions do you think should be added to Americas, with 50

I would argue that based on this, next DLC’s could be centered on East Asia and Africa, even when South Asia got the most votes in the ‘where next DLC’ poll. Swiss and Vlachs seem to be sort of popular in Europe and Modern Era. Venice is popular in Europe but not that much in Modern Era. Bavaria and Saxony don’t have much pull in either poll.

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All you say is true, I use percentages alone most of the time because the forum doesn’t give me a way of knowing the exact number of voters for each choice without doing mental calculations (which with above 50 voters can lead to small margins of error).
It makes me notice, however, that due to the East Asian poll having so many votes compared to others, the Tibetans are far ahead among the most requested civs.

I don’t know if we can draw such conclusion just based on the number of voters, considering most polls can cover several potential dlc’s at once (East Asia for instance also included Souht East Asian civs) and the time between each poll may have led to the community being relatively different in its composition and expectations. I also think the results of those polls should still be looked at, as some civs can on their own generate more hype than the area they’re in (though I have to admit the Tibetans seem to crush any competition, with the highest percentage of votes in the poll with the highest number of voters).

This poll came out before DoI anyway, the results would certainly be different nowaday :smile:

True, they may have a lot of potential (though I don’t see them being released in the same dlc…)

Yeah, to be honest this is not necessarily the best theme to put this civ in (it was not necessarily their peak and close to their downfall) but I put them in because of the Italian Renaissance, which they are not necessarily the best exemple of.

True… I often see them be requested though, the Saxons especially seem to have a rise in popularity (the Bavarians always face the difficulty of facing other possible South German civs so people can’t agree on which of those should be in game, if any).

How many people buy or play aoe2 in those countries ?

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Witn the Mountain Royals about to be released, I think it’s time I take a look at my old polls again to analyze the results before releasing a new batch, taking the recent updates into account. I initially planned on starting a series on AoE3, but the new dlc forces me to change my schedule.

I will start by taking a look at the polls for AoE2 proper (both those I already talked about in this topic and the more recent ones) and I will cover RoR in another message.


NEXT DLC 1 & 2

Unsurprisingly, the first one didn’t evolve much since I talked about it considering it was about the next dlc after DotD. The only change I noticed is that Caucasus and North/Central Africa were previously in a tie, but the African option ended up beating Caucasus with a 1% margin (with only one more voter since my first analysis, I might add).

The second poll is probably more interesting, with 198 voters totalling 788 votes. I have to say it was also probably better constructed than its predecessor, with far more options each accompanied with a few examples, not mentioning it was multiple votes this time.

And guess what? Caucasus came first with 25% votes, so either the devs are listening to the community or the wisdom of the crowd made a correct guess on what was already planned. In both cases, yay for us!

The rest of the top 5 is, as follows: Central/South Africa (22%), East Africa (20%), the Eastern Steppe (also 20%) and Balkans/Carpathia (19%).

We also have quite a high number of honorable mentions (between 10 and 20% votes but outside of the top5): West Africa (18%), North America (16%), Italy and Mesoamerica (15%), Himalaya, South America and Germany (14%), Central Asia (12%), Indochina (11%) and finally the British Isles and Scandinavia (10%).

I included non regional options, some focusing on time periods or types of units/playstyle, but none of those got more than 8% of the votes so I probably won’t do it again next time.

Excluding the winner which turned out to be confirmed, Africa seems to be confirmed as a continent people want to see more of. That being said, it’s quite apparent that we haven’t entirely given up on Europe despite the general Eurofatigue in discussions. In Asia, it seems East and Central Asia are generally speaking the most requested regions to develop, especially the continental parts. Finally, the Americas are slightly lagging a bit behind despite being as unexplored as Africa, and North America is the most requested region there… which might however be on the condition that it receives a specific building set.

Anyway, this poll is probably the one I will do a new version for next, as the results may change drastically after the tMR.



Nothing new regarding the first poll, as we didn’t get any additional votes, but I did a new one after DoI even though India was unsurprisingly quite low on the “next dlc” poll. We got 31 voters and 111 votes, which might be too low to draw any conclusion but can easily be explained by people not being so interested after a dlc already focusing on the region. It’s worth noting however that, contrary to the European poll, the “None” and neutral options don’t score too high.

Anyway, the top 5 is Kannadiga/Kannadigaru (41%), Sinhalese (35%), Afghans/Pashtuns (29%), Hephthalites/Alchon Huns (22%) and Nepalis/Maithils, Oriya/Kalinga and Tamils (19% each). Honorable mentions include the Deccanis (16%) and the Gupta/Magadhis, Mughals and Punjabis (12% each).

Quite a few civs received 0 votes, among which the Arakanese/Rakhine, Bhojpuris, Malayalis, Malvis and Manipuri.

It’s worth noting that the Afghans and Hephtalites can be tied to Central Asia more than South Asia, and the Nepalis could be more associated with the Himalaya. With this in mind, it seems if the devs ever want to revisit the region, they should probably focus on South India and Sri Lanka first since Kannadas, Tamils, Sinhalese and Oriyas all come from there, as well as Deccanis). Obviously, as I said before, it needs to be balanced by the fact we didn’t get so many votes.

I would also like to point out that, as usual, most people voted for 1-2 factions to be added (34%), but almost as many voted for 3-4 (33%).



The first poll only received one additional vote, which didn’t really change the results. I will however need to do a new version after tMR is released, as the two civs in first position will both be added to the game. Because, yes, we correctly picked the Georgians and Armenians as the two main civs to add to West Asia.

The second poll is more recent and mostly aimed at predicting the content of tMR before it was even announced (so obviously I won’t need a second version). Once again, Georgians and Armenians came first, with 64 and 52% out of 52 voters and 159 votes. The rest of the top 5 includes the Sogdians (22%), Gökturks (20%) as well as the Afghans and Hephtalites (18% each). To be honest I expected the Afghans to come in third place, in the poll at least.

The only honorable mentions are the Alans (13%) and Swahilis (11%).

The Chagatai, Ilkhanids and Tabaris received 0 votes.



The first one seems to have received the highest number of new votes after I published my first analysis, going from 82 to 93… Unless I just misclicked when entering the first number which isn’t really unthinkable. Anyway, it didn’t visibly change the results aside from the Edo dropping from 28 to 26% votes and the Kanuri and Songhai switching places.

The West African poll is more recent, as I was under the impression West Africa had a higher number of interesting civs than the rest of the continent despite them being less popular than the East or Central/South tops, so I wanted to look into it. It received 139 votes from 31 voters (so once again, less than my oldest polls but not surprising considering it’s more focused in scope).

Well, the results are not far from the poll for the entire continent once you remove the other region, with the top 5 consisting of the Edo and Songhai (64% each), Hausa (54%), Kanuri (51%) and Yoruba (45%), with only the Soninke being replaced by the Hausa. They are however a very honorable mention at 22%, and the regular honorable mentions include the Akans (16%), as well as the Fon, Fulani, Igbo, Jolof and Mossi (12% each). It would probably be quite different with more voters, but it seems to indicate some of those civs are actually quite popular if you don’t pit them against the entire continent.

More importantly, even though none of those civs made it to the top 5 in the main African poll in which most people voted for 3-4 civs to be added, here again 3-4 is the most popular pick and nobody voted for “None” to the question how many of those civs should be added. It suggests to me that people will always tend to ask for few civs, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t want more.



A different kind of poll, as this one didn’t focus on new civs or dlc. It also looks like the hopes it carried with it were kind of crushed by the new tMR civs receiving the South European set rather than a new one, suggesting that we won’t have any new ones for the time being and maybe ever. That being said, it received 152 votes from only 34 voters, so maybe not so many peoples are interested by this question.

Interestingly, the first place is an equality between three different options: Balkanic, South American and a split between East and West African (47% each). The 4th and 5th positions are for a Nomad or Western Nomad set (44%) and a split between a Japanese and continental East Asian one (38%). We also have several very honorable mentions with the Caucasian and Eastern Nomad (32% each), North European (26%) and South/Central African (20%).Finally, regular honorable mentions include North American (17%), Himalayan (11%) and Iberian (11%).

A fun poll to make but I don’t think I will make a new version considering it’s not something the devs seem to want to update anyway.



Another unusual poll, but this one was more popular with a huge 128 voters and 423 votes. It’s worth noting however that 22% voted for “None”.

The top 5 was Chinese/Koreans (42%), Slavs (28%), Italians/Sicilians (18%), Saracens (17%) and Ethiopians (16%), and as an honorable mention we have a massive tie between Celts, Malians, Dravidians, Incas and Vikings at 14%.

Byzantines/Romans, Gurjaras, Bulgarians and Lithuanians all received 0 votes.

I would tend to mitigate those results by pointing out that not everyone agrees on what a split is, but aside from a huge interest in China and Africa (and to a lesser extent South America and South India), those results suggest that people really aren’t done with Europe.

I may do a new version of this poll again after a dlc with an actual split.



The Americas didn’t receive any new votes, East Asia and Europe got 2 new votes each but it didn’t change anything significantly for the first one. For the European poll however, the Vlachs and Venetians have switched places and the Swedes have joined the ranks of honorable mentions. I considered doing a new poll for Europe, but the Romans ranked quite low and the Armenians and Georgians were not included so I don’t think it would be useful right now.



Neither of those polls received new votes, but it’s worth noting that the top 2 civs in the Late Antiquity poll (Romans and Armenians) are now in the game. Whether you’re happy with those inclusion or not, it’s another correct guess for the community!

I don’t know if I will do polls centered around time periods again, as it’s unlikely to be the focus of a dlc, but they seem to work relatively well so who knows? Plus, with the addition of Romans and Armenians, the Late Antiquity poll may need a new iteration (though I would probably change the title to include the Early Middle Ages next time).



Last time I said that the safest bets for future dlc would be “Caucasus, Himalaya (if Tibetans can make it into the game), North China, Indochina, East Africa, Bantu area and Central Asia”. Obviously, the Caucasus can now be crossed, and with the results of my last “next dlc” poll I would slightly change my stance. The next one should probably be about either China (with the risk of the Eurofatigue turning into Eurasia fatigue) or Africa (ideally East or Central/South). Obviously, that’s my text before I make a new batch of polls whose results might differ due to the last releases.

Finally, last time I included a list of civs with more than 50% votes on any poll. We can now remove the Georgians (as well as the Tamils who are from an outdated poll), but despite its low number of voters, West Africa brought four additional candidates. Also, some results changed in other polls and now Jurchens are not even part of the golden kids. So the new list is:

Tibetans (67%, East Asia), Edo (64%, West Africa), Songhai (64%, West Africa), Siamese (57%, East Asia), Hausa (54%, West Africa), Shona (53%, Africa) and Kanuri (51%, West Africa).

I hope you enjoyed the reading. I don’t think I will have time to do the same work for RoR tonight but I hope it will be soon.


Regardless of the % of votes another european dlc is just a matter of time since vikings dont have a campaign yet.

Ok, I initially planned on doing the RoR part of my polls before tMR came out, but irl had other plans and here we are. This isn’t necessarily too much of a problem considering my next polls will be about AoE2 proper anyway, but it’s still a little bit frustrating.

Before we start, I have to say most of those polls have been taken by a very low number of forum users and increasingly so over time, which might be due not only to the fact that more people are interested in AoE2 but also to the disappointment in the RoR game mode after its release. Anyway, it means the results might not be as conclusive as I’d have liked.

Also, the time period polls might have been a very bad idea.

Anyway, without further ado…



As for the AoE2 series, I started with a poll about what should be the focus of the next dlc. We only got 33 voters and 142 votes, but the results are quite interesting.

The top 5 includes Western and Northern Europe (57%), the Pontic Steppe (39%), Central Asia (33%), South Asia (30%) and Northwest Africa (27%).

As very honorable mentions (over 20% picks) we have the Balkans and Northeast Africa (24% each), and Mesoamerica, Southeast Asia and my own concept of “Forgotten Cradles” (a dlc focused on the Cradles of Civilization that are still missing from the game) at 21%.

As regular honorable mentions (between 10 and 20%), we have Italy (18%) and the Near East and Bronze Age (15%).

Those results should reassure people who think the general annoyance on the forums when we talk about adding European civs to AoE2 means there’s a hate for the continent in general: When this is the one place that lacks content, players notice and want it to be fixed. The areas occupied by the so-called “Barbarians” (Celts, Germans, Scythians…) are especially requested, but the Balkans and Italy also have good scores.

It’s also worth noting that few parts of the world actually have less than 10% of the votes: Only the Andes, Iran and Arabia do, and the latter two might be considered as part of the Near East. So pretty much every area that was active in this time period could be considered.

The Bronze Age is the only time period that received more than 10% votes however, and it’s worth noting that most of the civs who could appear in such dlc were from the Near East (which received an equal number of votes) or nearby regions, so maybe it only reveal a hype for this place more than anything.



With 68 voters and 327 votes, this poll had by far the highest number in the RoR category, which once again makes it seem like there’s a real hype for European content in this one game mode. It also confirms some hype for the “Barbarians”, considering the top 5 include the Celts (57%), Scythians (55%), Germans (45%), Dacians (35%) and Gauls (33%).

As very honorable mentions, we have the Etruscans (32%), Thracians (27%), Huns (26%) and Britons (20%).

Honorable mentions include Goths and Illyrians (14%) as well as Celtiberians and Lusitanians (11%).

Finally, I proposed quite a few options for a Greek split but it doesn’t seem like an appealing idea at this point, with the highest score for one of the resulting civ being 5%. Sorry for the Spartan fans.

Most people voted for 3-4 civs to be added (36%), 5-6 (17%) or even More (11%). It’s worth noting considering in most of my polls the 1-2 or None options tend to be among the higher ones.

So, first I’d like to point out the Celts being extremely high in this poll, but the possibility of a split for this still not existing civ being quite popular too, with one of its component (the Gauls) being part of the top 5 and another one (the Britons) being relatively close behind and with quite a good score. In my opinion, it shows that there’s potential for this civ to appear as an umbrella first to be sure to represent as many civs as possible at once, alongside the Germans and Dacians, only to be split later DoI style into Gauls, Britons, Celtiberians and maybe Lusitanians. Despite also being popular, the Scythians would probably better fit in a dlc centered around the Steppe (as I’ll mention again later).

Another possible dlc would be a Balkan one with the Illyrians and Thracians alongside a new Greek campaign. As for the Etruscans… I’ll take care of them later.



Due to the sheer number of possible candidates for this poll, I had to split it into two part with the first one the Pontic Steppe, Central Asia, the Caucasus, Anatolia and Iran, and the second one Mesopotamia, the Levant, the Arabian peninsula and Egypt. Both poll had pretty much the same number of voters (34 and 35 respectively), but there was a relatively big gap in the number of votes (154 and 109) which isn’t really surprising considering there was a lower number of possible civs. As a result, I will merge the votes from both polls.

The top 5 include Scythians (a freakingly high 70%), Hebrews/Israelites (an equally impressive 62%), Armenians (55%), Xiongnu (38%) and Nabateans (31%).

Very honorable mentions include the Canaanites (28%), Parthians/Dahae (26%), Akkadians (25%), Huns (23%) and finally the Arabs, Colchians, Elamites, Lydians, Sea Peoples and Seleucids (all at 20%). As regular honorable mentions, we have the Hyksos, Lagids and Philistines (17%), the Phrygians and Sogdians (11%) and finally the Arameans, Bactrians and Sogdians (11%).

Contrary to the previous poll, the 1-2 option is at the top in both cases (24-32%), followed by 3-4 (19-28%). It’s worth noting that it’s unclear whether people replied to this question for the region as a whole or the specific areas each poll covered.

So, with some civs scoring extremely high (as I said, as far as 70%), it’s quite obvious that there’s a demand for this area. The most obvious options imo would be a Steppe dlc with Scythians, Xiongnu, and maybe the Xianbei or a new Hittite campaign, and a Palestinian/Jordan one with the Hebrews, Nabateans and Canaanites.

It’s also worth noting that the Seleucids are a relatively popular pick despite being a dynasty (though the multiethnic nature of their empire might explain this), and they might fit in a Persian dlc alongside the Parthians and a new Persian campaign.

The Akkadians are a special case which I will mention again later, but they received a good amount of votes despite being already represented in game as Sumerians.



Despite this region being fourth in the “Next dlc” poll, it only received 52 votes from 20 voters. I have to admit I probably made a mistake by not mentioning which states were represented by each civ, something I had decided not to do in the RoR polls because many of those people simply never formed a state, but it sometimes resulted in the voters not knowing what a civ represented and this poll suffered the most for it. It is evidenced by the fact that some people complained about the absence of the Maurya and Gupta Empires, two very relevant dynasties that were in my mind part of the Magadhi civ which received very few votes probably as a result of this lack of clarity.

But let’s not get carried away. The top 5 include the Harappans (35%) which is the civilization of the Indus Valley, the united Indian umbrella (30%), the Dravidians (25%), the ######## (20%), and finally a tie between the Bactrians/Yuezhi, Kushans/Yavana and Magadhi (15%).

Bengalis and Tamils count as honorable mentions (10% each).

Most people voted for 1-2 civs to be added (29%) or 3-4 (23%).

I see this poll as a bit of a failure both because of the lack of clarity and the low number of votes, and am not sure what conclusions to draw from it aside from the fact that the Indus Valley has some potential but would make little sense alongside an Indian umbrella. My first instinct would be putting the Harappans into a Forgotten Cradles dlc (more on that later), the ######### Magadhis and Dravidians in an Indian one. Maybe the Bactrians and Kushans could appear in another one representing the various invaders of India who created multicultural empires (as well as Northwest India in general). Not sure what I would use for the third civ/campaign.



This poll was at a record low in terms of voters with only 16 of them, but still managed to beat the previous one in terms of votes with 63.

The top 5 includes the Xiongnu (56%), Funan/Khmers (37%), Huns (25%), and a tie-in at 18% between the Austronesians, Xianbei and Jomons, though it’s worth noting that the last four received an equal number of votes as the “None” options and the “I don’t know” option is as high as the Huns. In those conditions, I’m reluctant to count the civs who scored lower as honorable options, considering there are 7 different civs at 12% alongside the “I don’t care” option.

Most people voted for 1-2 civs to be added (37%) or 3-4 (18%), though the second option is at the same level as the “I don’t care” option.

I also kind of see this poll as a failure and am not sure I managed to properly represent China. Anyway, the Xiongnu and Huns were already present in the West Asia poll, so I guess only the Funans truly shine here and I would dare to say the existence of the Lac Viet makes them a must have. I would tend to add them alongside the Austronesians and a Lac Viet campaign.



Far more successful than the previous two, this poll received 122 votes from 34 voters, being on an equal footing with the West Asian ones. I don’t know if the topic is the only reason or if finally bringing back instances of states paid off.

The top 5 include the Nubians (an insane 73%, and you should get used to see them), Numidians (55%), Ethiopians (50%), Libyans (23%) and finally a tie between the Yemeni and the Berbers (17%).

The Bantu and Lagids receive honorable mention at 11% each, and the Tuaregs form the only civ with 0 votes.

Most people voted for 3-4 civs to be added (39%), while the 1-2, 5-6 and “None” options all received 13% of the votes.

To me this case is pretty obvious: I think a dlc about Northwest Africa with the Numidians and Libyans (plus a Carthaginian campaign) and one for the Northeast with Nubians and Ethiopians (plus a new Egyptian one, possibly?) would do the trick. Obviously, I wouldn’t be against more content.



The last of my regional polls for RoR, this one dropped back to 55 votes from 17 voters. It isn’t really surprising, considering this area of the world didn’t interact with the other ones and any civ coming from them would logically lack a good chunk of the common tech tree. Nevertheless, it got more attention than the East Asian poll and more votes than the South Asian one.

The top 5 include the Olmecs (52%), Mayas (41%), Zapotecs (29%), Otomi/Teotihuacanos (29%) and a tie between the Caral, Chavin and Nazca (17%), though the last tree received as many votes as the “None” option and the Otomi had an equality with the “I don’t know” one.

Finally, the Moche are the only honorable mention with 11% of the votes, though for once the “All of them!” also managed to score this high!

Most people voted for 3-4 civs to be added (42%), and surprisingly the next options are “None” (25%) and “I don’t know” (17%)

Even though I should consider this poll as a failure on the same level as the South and East Asian ones, I think the results are more relevant. I would tend to say the Olmecs and one of the Andean civs (probably the Caral) could be added in a “Forgotten Cradles” dlc while the Mayas and Zapotecs (and maybe the Teotihuacanos) would join in a Mesoamerican one.



The first of my time period polls for RoR, it received a respectable (for this side of the game) 116 votes from 33 voters. Contrary to the regional polls, the time period ones are meant to have only one dlc worth of content at least on my part. Voters however tend not to take this notion into account.

The top 5 include the Nubians (54%), Harappans (48%), Olmecs (33%), Elamites (27%) and a tie between Akkadians and Mayas (24%).

Honorable mentions include the Hurrians (18%) as well as the Canaanites and Mycenaeans (12% each).

Most people voted for such dlc to include 4 civs (33%) or More (17%).

Most of the civs with good scores were already quite prominent. The only exceptions would be the Hurrians and to a lesser extent the Elamites, who rose from 8 and 20% votes respectively in the first West Asian poll. As for the Mycenaeans, I just didn’t think about including them in the European poll.

If a dlc with a focus on the Bronze Age was to be made, I think it should probably include the Akkadians, Elamites and Hurrians (and possibly a new Sumerian campaign considering the Akkadians would take back the Sargon one). The Mycenaeans could maybe be added, but I think they are quite a stretch. As I mentioned earlier, the Harappans and Olmecs could still be part of the Forgotten Cradles dlc, and I don’t think the Nubians should be part of a time period dlc even though (and actually because) they scored high on this poll and all of the next ones, which means they could be seen as a relevant civ in all time periods.



This poll covers the time period going from the Late Bronze Age collapse in the 12th century BC to the Wars of Alexander the Great in the 4th. I didn’t expect it to gain too much attention especially compared to the other time period dlc’s, but it still received 149 votes from 31 voters.

In the top 5, we have the Celts (64%), Scythians (51%), Nubians (41%), Etruscans (35%) and Ethiopians (25%).

A very honorable mention goes to the Medes and Thracians (22%) and a regular one to the Lydians, Mayas and Zapotecs (16%).

Most people voted for this dlc to include 5+ civs (38%) or 4 (34%).

Despite the results being completely different, I would personally put the Etruscans, Medes and Lydians in this poll, as all the other relevant civs already have their place somewhere else. Lydians could also be replaced with an Assyrian campaign.

I have to mention that I wanted to include the Hebrews in this poll but completely forgot. I hope it didn’t mess the results too much.



This time, the poll covered the rise of the Roman Republic and Empire, from the Samnite Wars to the Crisis of the Third Century, alongside other major empires such as the Mauryas, the Han dynasty and the various Diadochi Kingdoms. To my surprise, it didn’t garner so much attention with only 16 voters, but they still cast an impressive 105 votes.

The top 5 includes the Scythians (56%), Gauls (50%), Germans (50%) and a tie between the Ethiopians, Armenians and Magadhis (37%).

Very honorable mentions go to the Dacians, Nubians and Parthians (31%) and Britons (25%).

As simple honorable mentions, we have a number of civs far too many civs.

Most peoples voted for 5+ civs to be added in such dlc (38%) or 3 (31%). To be honest, I think the old Rise of Rome already cover this time period so I’m not sure such dlc would be needed…



Finally, the last poll covering the fall of Rome (Ruin of Rome?) got 109 votes from 21 voters.

The top 5 is Huns (47%), Goths and Nubians (38%) and Vandals and Germans (33%).

Very honorable mentions are granted to the Ethiopians and Armenians (28%) and the Magadhis/Guptas (23%). Too many civs are tied as honorable mentions at 14%, ### ### ################### got 19%.

Most people voted for this dlc to contain 4 civs (25%) or either 2 or 5+ (19%).

I think personally, if such dlc was created, I would the Huns, Goths and Armenians in it.



In summary, I think the best bets for new dlc’s would be North European barbarians, Steppe nomads, Northeast and Northwest Africa (separately), Palestine/Jordan and the Bronze Age, followed by South Asia, the Balkans, the Celt split, the Archaic period and “the Forgotten Cradles”. The Americas, Southeast Asia and Late Antiquity are a little bit more ###### but could still be attempted.

As usual, I’ll finish on the list of civs who received 50% votes or more. This time it’s a little bit more complicated, as some of them got this score several times, but here are the results: Nubians (73% in Africa, 54% in Bronze Age), Scythians (70% in West Asia 1, 56% in Middle Classical Era, 55% in Europe, 51% in Archaic Iron Age), Celts (64% in Archaic Iron Age, 57% in the Europe), Hebrews/Israelites (62% in West Asia 2), Xiongnu (56% in East Asia), Armenians (55% in West Asia 1), Numidians (55% in Africa), Olmecs (52% in the Americas), Ethiopians (50% in Africa), Gauls (50% in Middle Classical Era), Germans (50% in Middle Classical Era). As you can see, Nubians, Scythians and Celts are in high demand, and the Hebrews are close behind.

Hopefully people liked reading this analysis and will be present when I come back with new polls taking the last two dlc into account!

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I would suggest to do a new poll for 2024 by looking at the actual possible combos rather than geographical areas for aoe2. Eg viking campaign and 2 civis from the surrounding areas which might have already shown up in campaigns already.

Hmm… The simplest thing would be to ask which existing civ should get a new campaign next, but you also gave me another idea…

Unanimously everybody agrees all the missing civis need campaigns.below are few combos,
Vikings campaign 2 civis from north europe dutch welsh shows up in current campaigns
Roman campaign 2 civis from south europe italian city states are candidates
Mayan campaign 2 civis from america chanca wari are in inca campaign

Yeah, I meant the first to get a new one…

Anyway, the number of possible combo might be a little bit too high.

Its not that high really,we have 6 civis without campaigns so its 12 new civis and 18 campaigns.

Only if you only have two possible combos from campaigns for each of those civs.

Well all the european once seems to follow that method.
I do wonder if a mayan campaign could be done without just using mayan mayan for enemies and alallies.