+ kanem-bornu empire
Hereās a map of Africa with few relevant medieval era empires that we are missing in AoE2:
need all of those + kongo, swahili, somali, malagasy
genetically africa is the most diverse continent in the world.
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India sucks as an umbrella lol. Dont use it as an example.
Mali can represent Ghana, Songhai and some other minor kingdoms. However I think they dont represent well the Yoruba/Beninese (who can be put togheter since they seemed to have some important cultural ties), the Kanembu or the Hausa. Thats without mentioning the eastern African civs you can add.
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You are the first person to say that there can be common civ for South Slavs. When I proposed it, they told me it would outrage people from there. The Serb said that there might be a common civ, so I was right after all. I proposed the name Serbo-Croat because I had a problem to find another name for the South Slavs umbrella civ. The Yugoslav people said it was too modern (where Yugo means South in some Slavic languages - Yugo Slav - South Slavs).
You think Rascians would be a good name for South Slavs umbrella civ?
This woman made a super Croatian campaign. He wrote below in the subject that he wants to do the Serbian campaign and use the same units:
Župan (South Slavic nobleman) and Kondura (Croatian military boat) - I think these two Unique Units would fit the South Slavic umbrella civ.
The symbol of this civ could be a combination of the symbols of Serbia and Croatia:
Serbian Cross on the Croatian chessboard
I hope that in this way I do not offend the national feelings of both Serbs and Croats. I just think that if not the Croats and Serbs separately, let them be together as one civ.
I am Polish and I would like to see Poles in this game, but I would also like to see Czechs. If there were no Poles and Czechs as separate civs, then I would at least like to see the umbrella civ for Western Slavs - Wends.
What do you think?
I wouldnāt put any Serbian or Croatian symbols because those arenāt appropriate to the time period. They would be anachronistic and would also turn off those who are South Slavs but arenāt Serbs or Croats like Bosniaks for instance.
I think Rascians would be a good name for a civ. From the 12th century to the early 15th century, Rascia was the most powerful independent state on the territory of Yugoslavia. And like I said it was a multiethnic state that included proto Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins and even Greeks, Bulgarians and Albanians during the rule of Tsar DuŔan the Mighty who was himself of mixed ethnicity.
I can agree with the rest of what you said although I donāt consider South Slavs or any iteration of them to be a significant maritime civilization in the Middle Ages. Thus Iām not sure about Kondura as a UU. But again I donāt want to sound ignorant and if someone knows something more about that Iām a willing listener! Župan is a good name for a unique unit and thatās a term common to all South Slavs.
But perhaps the most politically correct of all civ names would be using the demonyms East Slavs (rename current civ), West Slavs and South Slavs. The term Wends Iām not familiar with and as such Iām not sure. If Iāve never heard of it perhaps many people havenāt?
East Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussiansā¦)
West Slavs (Poles, Czechs, Slovaksā¦)
South Slavs (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians, Montenegrinsā¦)
I also think representing all Slavs in terms of these three tribes/groups fits with the rest of the game. Franks, Teutons, Britons are civs in the game not French, German and English. And a civ like Chinese should in fact be Song or Ming.
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She is a woman, not a dude
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But now I feel stupid for this mistake 
I have already corrected it.
What would be the best coat of arms for this civ in your opinion?
Like, honestly, thereās still a lot of separatism between the Serbs and Croats, both culturally and in sentiment, so I wouldnāt be surprised if Croatian and Serbian players hated being lumped together into a single civ like that. I prefer the idea of the two of them being separate civilizations.
There are a number of ways in which I feel it can be justified. The Croats were Roman Catholic, had Italian-looking buildings in Dalmatia, and were absolutely a naval power (they frequently fought the Venetians and Saracens on the Adriatic), whereas the Serbs were Greek Orthodox and more influenced by the Byzantines in general. Croatia had links to the Holy Roman Empire and eventually entered a personal union with Hungary; Serbia was either independent, part of Bulgaria, part of Byzantium, or, eventually, part of the Ottoman Empire. The Croats would have either Mediterranean or Central European architecture; the Serbs are best represented by the Eastern European set.
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As a Dutchman myself, the Dutch simply dont belong in AoE II. They werent really a thing yet and were mostly dominated by foreign powers at this time.
Saxons are a bit early in the timeline and they are basically Germans. Rather have the Teutons be renamed Germans and have something like a crusader state replace the Teutons.
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Not really, just give them Arquebusier, which they got both from Ottomans and Portuguese, in the late 1400s, and the Mtepe as a naval UU.
And who will represent HRE then? HRE is not German.
Teutons arent representative of HRE either. They were, you guest it a Germanic tribe. They represent the HRE as well as the Germans would, except the Germans would incompass more area than the Teutons.
Even tho the HRE wasnt purely German till about 1500, the German part always has been the biggest part. Seeing Italians are also in the game Germans are the best people group to represent the HRE.
Also it seems after goolging Teutons were either a tribe or a collective name for Germanic tribes just like Slavs is. In both cases they are pretty much not the Germans of the HRE.
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Although I agree with you the name Teutons is misleading and inappropriate I dont agree with changing it into Germans.
I propose names like HRE or Regnum Teutonicum etc. My point is that we cannot speak about āGermanā in a sense of nationalism of 19th century. Yes, the name of the empire changed to āā¦of German nationā in 1512. Yet, Bohemians were still in the empire and never were Germans like many other ānationsā around HRE borders (Danish, French, Italiens).
I dont know why they changedthe name, anybody can enlighten me.
Besides this I also like to see some representative of Crusader states, but we get into neverending discussions here whether these states represent ācivilisationā. In my opinion Crusader states in the Holy land represent civilisation (fusion of Arabic, Jewish, European culture + religiously diversified) but there are more important states which should be added.
How is it misleading?
The name Teutons reminds me more Germanic tribes (Teutons) roaming around Roman borders. I dont have them linked with middle ages.
Thatās because thatās what they are.
The only thing that isnāt is the unique unit
Did Teutons have Paladins and bombard cannons? 
AoE civs have always been people groups, not nations. So you cant name it the HRE. Regardless although the civ represents the HRE it is ment as a German representation, not a Bohemian or Italian one.
And the HRE became of Germans, because even tho Bohemia was part of it, it had a lot of Germans living there, was officially also part of the Austrian realm and compared to the entire nation Bohemian was just outnumbered.
In Germany now adays there is still the Sorbian culture. But we dont call Germany, Germany and Sorbia.
Also with the crusader states (not entirely the correct name I used) I meant the Baltic ones. Like the Teutonic order and Livonian order. So they would be Prussian or something like that. Although thats kind of German so then it would have to be Livonian or something.
But I rather just see the name changed from the Teutons and there doesnt need to come a new civ in its place really tho.
Well, based on the following video, which I have found here on this forum, Teutons do represent also Bohemians, so you cant say:
Link:
Austrian realm is almost out of timeframe. Additionally, this argument is not valid in my opinion, because therefore I can say HRE was ruled by Bohemians during Charles IV. Whenever the king was crowned it did not mean all people suddenly became aliens and had to switch the coat 
Irrelevant. We speak about middle ages.
In the end āTeutonsā are maybe the best name for what they represent.
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At 0:54 āThe general theme is that the Teutons represent medieval Germany.ā Besides he states the Latin name of East Francia was Teutonic romagnia or something like that hence the AoE name. Yet East Francia, as looking at the map, is not including Bohemia and is almost entirely German land.
You said you didnt know why since 1500 the name added of German people, I stated why.
And its not irrelevent as thats what you basically said. That because the HRE has like 10% Bohemians it still should have a name including them.
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