Stay Away From England

True longbows are worthless against elephants. If you have elephants and I have longbows that not even a fight, it’s a massacre . Delhi I never do well as. I think because they take more practice

Their late game army is the same as everyone else’s, since most people build knights, mix in some pikes or crossbows

But other civs have bonuses for it or usefull unique units.
I also think that ENG is in the late game mid to low tier

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Since when are steam forums trustworthy?

England is completely fine. Straightforward to play. A ton of potential with good micro. Can easily bully your opponent and win the game in Age 2 and 3 if you are superiour at micro compared to your opponent just by killing units with Longbowmen.

Very strong Landmarks. Age 3 Landmark is straight up overpowered, you get a free TC just from rushing Age 3. Only few civs have comparable Landmarks like this. Age 4 you get infinite gold so you don’t rely on mapcontrol too much although given your playstyle you should always have atleast half of the map under control.


English get a “free” TC and they still can’t ignore feudal aggression and race to imp or boom.
They’ll just lose that race. So much for the implied OP tempo of the Kings Palace.

England is strong in feudal but really weak in the midgame:

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England is easy to learn without spending too much time playing. Other civs are more complicated and require more time to learn how to play and use their strengths.

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Right you are. Even I could play English without any practice thanks to the straightforward nature of ram rushing with longbowmen.

Much unlike the other Civs which, intentionally or not, are more complex in what must be done to achieve the same level of early game lead as the English.

The English, having the worst late game, are then one of the hardest Civs to play. However, generally speaking, in this game, in team games, all Civs come down to the right combinaton of siege for the late game. In that sense, there is little difficulty in learning any Civ.

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Glancing at how nobody was playing Delhi (so called difficult civ), and then everyone was playing Delhi, and they were suddenly winning most of their games with a civ that they never play, within 1 or 2 days, I’d say the ‘difficult civs’ apparently aren’t difficult to grasp.

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Given the fact that Delhi was broken for atleast a month many players decided to play other factions. And now that Delhi received some bugfixes they are coming back.

Delhi wasn’t broken on release so Delhi players did get a lot of practice in. And practice from other civs also translates of course.

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Whats wrong with Delhi? I heard they are a tough civ to play as well

What England needs is an alternative Feudal Age Landmark that is economic or at least works better.

The devs completely broke Delhi and HRE spearmen in the last patch before Christmas. For about a month spearmen from these 2 factions were unable to brace and cancel Knight charge, while all other factions got the brace ability added to spearmen without even having to stand still.

Of course everyone was outraged. This game is being played for prize money of course. So pro players were abusing Knights against Delhi and HRE because the Spearmen could simply be killed by charging into them over and over.

This was fixed in the recent patch but still the devs managed to break 2 factions for an extended period of time.

Thats not all of it for Delhi of course. The faction has so so so many bugs. Just search around this forum and you will find people trying to best to collect all of them.

Chinese have had bugged Nest of Bees since stress test and so far the devs did balance changes but refuse to bugfix the unit. We have ranked beta going on but apparently making sure the units do what they are supposed to do is not a priority.

As expected from a Chinese main :smiling_face_with_tear:

What is more tough to do?
To learn how a civ works, or to learn how to be good at micro because the “easy” civ requires good micro?

Edit: Oh, what you are saying is that Delhi are tough to play AGAINST? Yeah. They are in A tier on their own now. Time to start bug fixing and buffing other civs, definitely don’t do that “one civ at a time”.

English are lower than Chinese and way lower than Delhi
Not only are they currently a one trick pony, but according to stats, it’s not even a good trick.

You said that English were fine, except that shattering projectiles has been bugged since the stress test, Abbey of Kings is pure garbage and everyone has been saying that all along, the Ribauld has been the worst unit in the game this entire time. Trebs also suck, and English are the Treb civ with their upgrade and their Wynguard.

Half the stuff they get might as well not be in the game because it’s currently useless, which is a real problem for a civ that has been given a lot less stuff than other civs in order to make it “uncomplicated”.

Here is a list:

Delhi suffered from a great variety of negatives until just recently, so unless you were simply enthralled by elephants and scholars, you’d often avoid playing them.


They didn’t buff longbows…

English got indirectly nerfed with the +1 armour on horsemen.

English are really predictable and have a restricted eco bonus they have to invest in to get payoff.
Compare that to rus free gold and + foodgatheringspeed across the board or french +10% more eco with vil production.

The goal with English (or even with French) against Delhi’s Elephants is to destroy you before you amass Elephants. I practiced against Hardest AI on any maps and I seem to be consistently winning. Just pray the map has no seas. English and French navy ships are among the best out there. And even when we get to Endgame, I should have amassed Mangonels/Bombards with Cheap Spears on front while I have my Knights raid you the whole game. The main issue with Delhi to me is that their Elephants are so SLOW.

A good idea you have there. It is in your best interest to do great harm to the Delhi player early on and allowing the domino effect kick in until you’ve won.

As for the AI Delhi, he will not be countering your siege with his own and will not be trying to lock down sacred sites with walls and such, making things significantly more streamlined.

AI is dumb on that respect. But what I always do to toy it is I destroy its base at the start without ending the game but leave it with enough villagers then I retreat back to my side and wall it and continue my upgrades. I just give him enough resources: Gold and Stone and wait for it to come back with full Imperial Age Massive Elephants to knock at my Gates. There I test my combo to annihilate it. I have some failures on my early AI games but I learned from it. Delhi Hardest AI is really good on doing its economy sending me enormous troops that looks impossible to destroy. On one game, it didnt attack back but it made its own Wonder. I was surprised on the Massive Elephants it made to guard its Wonder. I love it. It surely taught me its counters either with English or French.

But against Human player Delhi, I am pretty sure he wont be as fast and efficient to run an economy like the Hardest AI Delhi unless he is among the top 100 players.